I bought a short-sleeved Canali shirt on Saturday. Nice colour, 100 per cent cotton. Not 'Ivy League' I don't suppose. A nice, lightweight summer shirt, especially if one is lucky enough to be lounging in Lazio or Liguria.
About fifteen years ago I splashed out on a pair of Gucci driving shoes. And rarely wore them. The mean streets of where I live now (not to mention my home city) just seemed to be the wrong places to be wearing them. I was afraid all the time of English dirt, discarded chewing-gum and dog-shit. So they got sold on Ebay - I guess. I wish I could remember.
Does anyone favour Tod? Their loafers remind me of Weston, which I never really took to. But I could fancy something light and stylish in suede for next summer.
I was going to buy a pair of Tod's driving shoe moccasin, mainly for overseas holidays/warmer climes. But instead I found The Original Car Shoe. I'm pretty sure it was the same make Gianni Agnelli used to wear. The company is now owned by Prada who bought them out in 2001.
I think G. Agnelli wore Miserocchi drivers. Anyway great loafers for summer. But i´m quite sure those shoes are never ever worth the crazy price tag. Btw. weren´t driving shoes a favourit of Jimmy in Paris? Loved his ravings about French Ivy and an American in Paris. The BBB look ... Blazer, Brooks and Bass ... and that certain haircut.
Welcome to the forum WIL. (Or welcome back, as the case may be.)
Hi WIL, you're probably right, I got the blurb off of wiki. They also mentioned JFK that's probably false as well.
I also thought they looked more classic than TOD's although I might check out the Miserocchi, thanks.
Gentlemen, thank you for the warm welcome. I was an armchair reader for years but now that Talk Ivy is back i decided to join in the fun. Runninggeez: Concerning Miserocchi, i´m not sure if they are still in business. I´ve heard that they had serious quality issues with their shoes. I think i know your Car shoes from your (other?) Insta profile. They do look really great and the good thing is they do not have a logo on them like the Tod´s. I currently have three pairs of drivers myself. All from a no name italian company. In suede leather. Classic chocolate brown, kind of beige and an slightly adventurous pair in loden green. Nothing better than to wear a pair of drivers, sockless of course, in a flaneur´s spot like let´s say Merano in late spring. Pair it with a well worn blue a tad too short 501s an white OCBD and let your navy merino sweater grace your shoulders. But most important: Do not forget to enjoy some Spritz! Continental Ivy it is!
West Indian Limes, I think you'll go down well with our TwoRussellStreet, a gentleman who is deeply into Italian food, drink, language and culture.
'Talk Ivy' needs to fill up with active posters, both new and old. We hope to guarantee a calm, civilised atmosphere, but one which allows for a little gentle piss-taking - as goes on, for example, between Yuca and myself.
Enjoy yourself.
Quite a few years ago I was walking around Venice in an area where the locals lived and came across a small shoe shop. The shoes were generally for elderly people with foot problems but I noticed a beautiful pair of driving shoes. Benessere Lion in a mid chocolate brown, with lighter stitching and some kind of anti static button in sole and heel. Very well made and with a squarish toe not exactly ivy but made in Italy. I rarely wear them now except on continental holidays.
And welcome WIL
They're great, those quiet areas of Italian cities. Get off the beaten track, especially in Rome or Venice.
Yes I love off the beaten track in Italy. Drinking coffee where the locals go or buying food in a local shop. I miss Italy. Sicily is always an adventure when walking around
Never been to Sicily. I'd love to. And Sardinia. Puglia is enchanting. But, going back to the airport, I happened to mention to the taxi driver wanting to visit Calabria. He advised against it. But I'm still curious. Hoping to return to Liguria within the next couple of years: a resort close to Genoa.
Thanks WIL, they are a great shoe I really like them, but unfortunately due to this country's climate they only have a small window of opportunity to be worn.
It's getting a bit frustrating not being able to post photos to back up descriptions.
One thing I've never been able to bring myself to do is place a jumper on my back and shoulders in the classic continental style. It reminds me too much of Haircut 100.
But Nick Heywood did carry off the chunky Aran knit rather well.
Weller played it pretty well ... ? Paris.
A rather young Mr. Ralph Lifshitz played it much better ... in New York.
You probably know that one black & white photo of him.
Greyish Tweed trou, white OCBD and that sweater around his shoulders.
One of the best Ivy looks for me.
(Yep. It's getting a bit frustrating not being able to post photos to back up descriptions.)
It was a bit of a look some 40 years by some guys my age at the trendy pub we all hung out back then (The Hero PH Bagshot).
It was a crisp white shirt, bow tie or cravat with a pastel colour knit draped over the shoulders.
As I’ve never had any driving shoes, a couple of questions for the more experienced members.
How long do driving shoes last if you walk around in them? (I’m talking longer distances than than the Berni Inns pub car park to the bar)
Do they have to worn with stringback gloves and would they be okay with a SAAB?
That's a good question Woof, I don't really know. But stringback gloves and a Saab, thumbs up.
They did not look well on me so I didn't wear them long enough to find out.
As for the sweater draped around the shoulders look, the Italians seem to do it effortlessly. I remember watching a group in Brindisi all those years ago, male and female, every single one of them, of whatever age, looking like the bees knees. So unlike the English, who I have come to despise: lumbering around pretty continental countries looking for milky tea and lard butties made with sliced white bread. Barcelona: all those whining, aggrieved West Midlands/Essex/Merseyside accents.
I've tried the look myself, with limited success.
Woof, my not immodest experience tells me that driving shoes belong to that kind of fine male pleasures that don´t last overly long. A sweater over your shoulders could comfort that a little. Saab? At least a Cinquecento. I would also strongly recommend socklessness AND glovelessness.
I love my driving shoes, and if/when we get long hot summers tend to more or less live in them. Although I do find on me they look wrong with anything other than no socks, shorts, and polo. Perhaps they belong slightly more in the 'Riviera' rather than 'Ivy' style?
Completely agree with WIL in that they're not good for much more than a casual stroll to collect my boy from school, and feel most at home in a pub garden. Ironically I can't drive far in them.
Sweater over shoulder is a line I can't cross. If only as it reminds me that I'm NOT an effortless Italian, but Do face a beating from my fellow lumbering Brits (completely agree with AFS above)
The very warmest of welcomes, Spendthrift.