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#1 2021-11-07 03:06:34

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A Dedicated Jazz Thread...

Hank is probably the only poster now to run a way of playing as his user name - I began, all those years ago, as 'ChetMiles'. 
I know we already have a black music thread - this dedicated jazz thread is intended to complement others now rather moribund, and can of course be extended to include Chet, Mulligan, Art Pepper, Peggy Lee, Anita, Stan Getz - even Brubeck.  The list is not endless but it is lengthy. 
Yuca has done us a great service by discussing the Latin side of things. 
The last time I was at Chiltern Street what I recall hearing, very low, was 'Do Nothing Till You Hear From Me'.  The original was, I think, by the great Duke Ellington.  Our Gibson commented, many moons ago, on Mr. Simons senior's love of melody in his music.  Seconded.  My father was much besotted with his favourite players interpreting Porter, Gershwin, Irving Berlin, Rodgers and Hart etc. even Miles blowing away at 'Some Day My Prince Will Come' or Coltrane's version of 'My Favourite Things'.  The old man wasn't much of a bopper!  The likes of Lester Young were much more to his taste.
If you love jazz, this is for you.  If you don't, well, you might just be missing out on something.

 

#2 2021-11-07 08:09:49

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Re: A Dedicated Jazz Thread...

Wasn't it said about Chet that he played as if dusting rare Venetian glass?

 

#3 2021-11-07 23:29:37

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Re: A Dedicated Jazz Thread...

I have made a little comic with a friend on Alfred Lion and Francis Wolff in 1920s/30s Berlin recently. Hence I was listening mainly to Hot Jazz and Swing from this period.


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#4 2021-11-08 02:12:27

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Re: A Dedicated Jazz Thread...

I listened to a lot of early jazz during those first, slightly surreal weeks of lockdown.  Often about half a dozen tracks at a time on CD.  They can make for interesting listening for someone like me, who basically began with Parker and Coltrane.  The music, of course, tends to be a good deal sweeter and lacks too much introspection, right?  In fact, much of it is downright joyous.  But I found it didn't match my mood so eventually stopped listening.

 

#5 2021-11-08 02:27:41

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I can recommend the YouTube channel AtticusJazz. It’s from Emrah Erken who collects 78s and does some great sound restorations.


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#6 2021-11-08 02:51:13

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I'll look into that, Hank.  Thanks for the tip. 
I've actually acknowledged my father's tastes in a big way but I feel his instincts were right.  Melody was all-important.  I tried, about ten years ago, listening to things like 'A Love Supreme' but found myself not getting very far.  Then, separated from my wife and family for a while, I began listening to a lot of vocalists.  Much more satisfying. 
Not jazz but Fred Astaire singing standards like 'Night And Day' takes some beating.  Oh, the genius of Cole Porter.  Even as a stupid teenager I knew he had something to offer.

 

#7 2021-11-08 03:57:01

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I've got half a dozen jazz CDs at home that were random charity shop buys, where I've bought them because of the name of the artist, 'A Love Supreme' by Coltrane being one of them. Others that spring to mind are 'The Shape of Jazz to Come' by Ornette Coleman, 'A Night in Tunisia' by Miles Davis, one that I can't remember the name of by Thelonious Monk. All held up as inspirational pieces of work, but I'm evidently not far enough along my personal jazz voyage of discovery to be able to appreciate them, listening to them just seems like hard work.

I play them now and then to see if my 'jazz taste buds' are sufficiently developed, but not so far and I reckon they will eventually find their way back to the  local hospice book and music shop. As they only cost a couple of quid each I can live with it.

A while back I bought the Penguin Guide to Jazz which covers all eras and in which the authors recommend what they see as the best recordings by noted artists. So what I do now is, if an album interests me I listen to it on Spotify and if I like it I buy it. There's  a seller on EBay called Dodax and I usually look on his shop to begin.


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#8 2021-11-08 04:07:53

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Woof, you and my old Dad would have hit it off nicely.  Coleman is bloody hard going.  And when it becomes 'hard work', well, you know you're onto a loser. 
You can get an argument about this but it seems likely that jazz became 'hard work' once the players stopped wanting to get people to dance or at least tap their toes and began exploring their own, Black In America situation.  Avoid free form, avant-garde, probably much hard bop and even bebop.  Maybe try Lester Young, Cannonball Adderley, Wardell Grey, Ben Webster.

 

#9 2021-11-08 04:12:34

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Monk, of course, was something of a 'character': all those hats.  I had one of his compositions played at my father's funeral.  My (late) mother-in-law knew nothing about American music beyond Glenn Miller and Elvis, so the expression on her face, as the coffin trundled off, was a joy to behold.

 

#10 2021-11-08 04:27:57

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@AFS - thanks for the suggestions, familiar with Young and Adderly but not the other two, so I shall delve.

Strangely enough we have tickets for Tony Kofi a British saxophonist tomorrow evening, he's doing a show called 'A Portrait of Cannonball'.

Hank Mobley and Wayne Shorter are both regularly heard in Woof HQ.


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#11 2021-11-08 04:34:20

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Kofi sounds good; in tune with the old masters.  Old Cannonball did a lovely cover of Edith Piaf's 'Autumn Leaves': very appropriate for early November (or any time you're feeling a bit, well, down).  I think Webster's classic is (from memory) 'See You At The Fair' (meaning, I suppose, The World's Fair).  Grey's 'Twisted' was a great favourite of my old Dad.  Maybe try Gillespie, too?

 

#12 2021-11-09 02:47:44

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A one-off, I'm guessing, but I'm looking forward to 'Sketches Of Spain' turning up from one of my regular suppliers in Berlin.  I much prefer this to 'Birth Of The Cool' and 'Kind Of Blue'.  Trouble is, you want - need - a hazy heat in the background instead of an English autumn.  At any rate it'll remind me of being in Catalonia back in the late summer of 2012, alone, eating fresh bread from the market, choosing jewellery for the two women who happened to be dominating my life at the time, re-reading 'Portnoy's Complaint' while the couple in the adjacent room were fucking.

 

#13 2021-11-09 04:43:08

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Woof, I hope you enjoy Kofi.  Hearing jazz live is quite an experience.

 

#14 2021-11-09 08:56:24

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In 1991 I was studying up north. On a visit to Nottingham I noticed that a nightclub had live jazz on a Monday night so I went to check it out. The live band was led by an at the time unknown Tony Kofi. The next day I rang the venue, left them my number and asked them to get Mr Kofi to call me. He got in touch, I ended up promoting a jazz night at a live music venue up north with him as the headline act, the gig was packed and the audience loved him. He was very happy with the gig too as I recall. I just wish I'd kept up the contact and put him on again on a regular basis.

A few years later I was at a US3 gig and he spotted me and said hello. Since then I'm always happy to read that he appears to be doing very well as a solo artist and band leader. Definitely a great player.


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#15 2021-11-09 09:47:19

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My Dad would have loved that.  He would travel to hear live jazz; had seen Ellington, the MJQ and others in Nottingham; been to Ronnie Scotts; heard live music in NYC and New Orleans.  'The gig was packed'.  Excellent.

 

#16 2021-11-09 09:50:03

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Why the hell I didn't put him on every few months I have no idea. A wasted opportunity. I suppose I was too young to realise. At least I did it once.


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#17 2021-11-09 09:51:45

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When back in Blighty...  try again...  You'd find willing assistance...

 

#18 2021-11-11 08:35:14

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Not jazz - but Miles.  Just listening to 'Sketches Of Spain': melancholy homage to that blood-drenched land.  Lorca, Hemingway, Guernica, Picasso.  The Carlist and Civil Wars.  Anyone know the story of the recording?

 

#19 2021-11-11 09:00:34

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Have seen some excellent jazz this past few weeks - Went to the Church of Sound to see the Donald Byrd Songbook performed by Matters Unknown, then the Barbican last week for Mathew Halsall another gem of a night. Did some mad avant garde night down The Elephant a bit back to see Anteloper (Jaime Branch side project) and have the said mentioned Jamie Branch in December for a more conventional show.

On Saturday, my good lady and I are going to The Barbican again to see the Isamu Noguchi exhibit, followed by Paris Blues on 35mm, part of the Jazz and The City EFG London Jazz Festival.

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#20 2021-11-11 11:07:36

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I’ve always enjoyed Talk Ivy but being a jazz lover as well I thought I’d contribute to the thread.
My understanding of  the background to Sketches is that Miles reluctantly accompanied his then wife, the dancer Frances Taylor , to a flamenco evening.His motivation being more around jealousy of the male dancers than the music.
When he listened to the sounds he started to appreciate the soulfulness  of the music. Next morning he went out and purchased loads of Spanish music to immerse himself more.This subsequently became the inspiration for the album.
Miles was always moving forward at the time, picking up on everything from modern classical music through to the American songbook.
I would of loved to see him perform any of his classic albums live.He was full on Jazz Rock by the time I saw him.

 

#21 2021-11-11 11:17:32

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Excellent.  Thank you.  So you saw him live?  Welcome, by the way, to 'Talk Ivy'.

 

#22 2021-11-11 11:40:59

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Many thanks for the welcome.
In my late teens I went on my first lads holiday. Rather than go to the traditional resorts like Ibiza that catered for young lads I ended up catching a coach to the South of France.
The holiday was a catalogue of disasters but there was an International Jazz Festival on. I'd been into jazz for about four years so when I heard the great Miles Davis was in town it was no brainer. What's more the support act were the Latin funk legends Airto with Flora Purim.
It was an outside gig in a park not far from Nice town centre. I got there early and saw Airto who was amazing. An hour of pulsating groove.
It was during the Star People and Decoy period. Very heavy guitar sounds with rock drumming. Not my bag at all.

 

#23 2021-11-11 11:44:51

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No, I suspect it wouldn't have been mine, either.  I began with Parker and Coltrane in my twenties (late twenties at that) but came to favour melody over any form of experimentation.  I still prefer Ella or Sarah Vaughan to Billie or Bessie.

 

#24 2021-11-11 12:55:58

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My journey to Jazz started in the mid Eighties. I was, and still am, heavily into jazz-funk and soul.It was a rejection of all the heavy rock sounds that I thought belonged in the 70's.
As the funk scene became too electronic and the early hip-hop sound emerge,d Jazz started to become more relevant on the dance floor.
There was a great record shop in Berwick Street in a basement under Record Shack run by the DJ Paul Murphy. He introduced me to more straight-ahead sounds from Art Blakey, Tania Maria, Art Pepper and Cal Tjader. It's hard to believe now how well these artists blended into the soul scene.
So by the time I saw Miles it was a real shock that he was so into this heavy metal sound. It felt the antithesis of where jazz was at in the UK during those halcyon days.

 

#25 2021-11-11 18:35:46

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Once the UK jazz dance scene emerged in the 80s (and prior to that the UK jazz funk scene of the 70s) there was very often a massive gap between the US and the UK in terms of what styles of jazz were popular and how it was consumed. A UK jazz musician told me back in the 1990s that Wayne Shorter (or maybe it was Dexter Gordon) played a gig in the UK and when he saw staff clearing tables away to make a dancefloor he asked where people were going to be able to eat. In the gig it was only the UK support band who played a danceable set. Not Shorter's fault really - it's pretty obvious a jazz artist is not going to play a set of certain old tracks deemed danceable many years later, unless they are specifically asked to when they are booked.

Although on saying that, maybe some of the more funky jazz acts never stopped playing venues with a dancefloor. And for Latin jazz, dancing is always common e.g. in the Machito documentary, filmed around 1980, the Machito Orchestra with guest Dexter Gordon are playing the Village Vanguard (I think) and there are plenty of people dancing. (Although I did once hear of a Latin jazz band performing and when they played a cha cha cha a couple started dancing and the band leader actually asked them to stop.)


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