Being machine washable and quick to dry, fleeces are a hell of a lot more practical than decent knitwear. But pleasant to look at? Not any I've ever seen.
I have owned fleeces in the past and worn them when trekking. No one can convince me they are Ivy.
I have two items of zipped knitwear. One is a made in Great Britain Jaeger number with just a neck zip. The jumper is beautiful but the zip is hideous. I wore it indoors the other day and I kept thinking is it possible to remove the zip and convert it somehow but sadly it isn't.
'Is Ivy Style for real these days.'
If it was and is a practical joke then it would, to be fair, be a good one. With Chens at the helm I didn't think it could get any more absurd, but they certainly managed it.
Some funny posts here - Kingstonian thinking a statue in zippered knitwear lacks gravitas, and The Laird Of Enfield (who was he? James Kelman an Ivyist?) worried about neck stubble.
Personally I think zips at the neck aren't Ivy, but J.Simons sold them, so they are.
TRS, I did buy one from JS, a navy blue Lawrence J Smith, bit the dust with a few others when I was having an Ivy clear out, years back.
Good stuff Lawrence J Smith, and the moths leave them alone, preferring finer knits and cashmere.
So did mine. I never quite took to it. Reminded me too much of my late father-in-law (a supporter of Liverpool FC, so TRS will understand) in his brightly-patterned man-made fibre horrors. How unlike my own sainted pa, in his USA-made RL polo shirts and 505s. At the age of seventy eight, too. But Lawrence J. Smith was a name that cropped up at Russell Street circa (I think) 2009: those 'Doctor Who' scarves? I found them absurd and couldn't understand what JS was playing at. But there we are.
'If it was and is a practical joke then it would, to be fair, be a good one. With Chens at the helm I didn't think it could get any more absurd, but they certainly managed it.'
It's a parody
AFS, we used to sell Rupert the Bear scarves (Johnstons of Elgin) in Harrington at Christmas, they used to fly out the door.
Which years are we talking about, R? And, of course, weren't those awful woollen bags we adolescent suedeheads used to wear known as 'Ruperts'? Maybe it was all some lunatic throwback not only to childhood but also Waugh and 'Brideshead Revisited' (which we watched on DVD earlier this year and thoroughly disliked, aside from some of the interior decorating; being on a brief John Fowler kick) and Archibald the teddy bear. I seem to remember Gorman in that book of his linking the looks of 1971-5 to those of the 1920s and 1930s. And teamed with basketweaves? Odd. Well, it was a strange period for fashion, both male and female. I had a newly acquired stepbrother and stepsister in 1973 and they were full-on 'smooths', she with the chopped-about Rod Stewart hair and looking eminently shaftable in her tight polyester (or whatever) flares.
AFS, early 80's onto the noughties with regards to the scarves.
Definitely remember Rupert checked Oxford bags & two tone Gatsby style shoes, what were we thinking about.
Good question! I guess we thought it a little more grown-up than what had gone before, the DMs and Ben Sherman shirts etc. Elms, for all his self-indulgent twattishness, does capture that period pretty well in 'The Way We Wore'. That description of 'the lad' in 1975, without an ounce of style, just not caring, could have been the template for Right Now. At least we had a little bit of imagination even if - at least in my neck of the woods - we were incapable of actually dreaming something up clotheswise. But the cheaper shops and the market were cheek by jowl: the young herberts would just go from one to the others until they'd blown their pocket money. There was also a record stall for them to buy their 45s. LPs were for hairy grammar school would-be dope enthusiasts. Emerson, Lake And Palmer, Lindisfarne. Remember how we'd stack the 45s one on top of the other, hoping they'd fall and play in the right order? The age of thirteen... Girls were just beginning to take their clothes off for us... Lesley... Hazel... where are you now?
Ha ha, how strange, I was only talking to a colleague this morning about old records we used to smooched to and reminiscing about the lovely Tracey.
'Good stuff Lawrence J Smith, and the moths leave them alone, preferring finer knits and cashmere.'
TRS, I wish I still had it, could wear whilst gardening in the Autumn/Winter channeling my inner Monty Don.
I think Monty Don carries off the work wear look with a certain panache. With his soft shoulder jackets, scarf and baggy cords, braces plus workboots. He has the sense not to wear a flat cap ( with the hair thing he has going on) but if he did he wouldn't be a million miles away from looking similar, clothes wise, to the present day JS .
Just going back to this, a male model in the September 1963 edition of 'Esquire' is wearing a full-zip cardigan (photograph is in black and white): probably man-made fibres. My quarter-zip, bought from a shop in Brittany specialising in Irish and Scottish products, was 100 per cent wool. I think I only wore it two or three times. 'Golden Age' Ivy it might be, but I wonder how many on here would sport a (possibly Orlon or Dacron) full-zip cardigan if it was offered as a gift. Too much of the OAP about it?
I think Monty Don carries the look well because he’s actually doing the work. If he was dressed like that sitting in an East End porridge bar there’d be an element of ‘cosplay’, which is my problem with the whole denim/workwear thing.
I’d do zip neck if the collar rolled down fairly big. Never full zip. Too ‘special offer in The Mail on Sunday magazine’ for me.
Yes, Monty looks comfortable in clothes that suit his habitat. I get the 'cosplay' thing with denim/work wear but some people seem to be able to carry it off. Thee Captain who used to post here seemed to manage it.
He did! I loved that he’d turn up on here, clearly knowing a hell of a lot about the subject, but not attempting to dress much like it. He didn’t take it at all seriously, was comfortable in his own skin/clothes and kind of ruled because of it. Whenever I’ve veered too closely to that look I felt too self conscious of it and clearly couldn’t pull it off
I met Thee Captain a few years ago on a visit to Lloyd Johnson’s, he came across as a quite shy person nothing like his online persona, his posts were very funny, be good to see him back on FNB