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#26 2021-11-11 20:38:53

slimmm67
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Was happy to see Anita O'Day "Waiter, Make Mine Blues" LP and The Latin Jazz Quintet (w/Ramirez, Dolphy, 1960) in the thrift store bin today. Both too hammered to warrant purchase, but always comforting to stumble across evidence of a better world.

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#27 2021-11-12 03:14:41

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Miles sounds like the kind of sponge of whom I approve.  I get a massive thrill out of Beethoven, Bach, Mozart and the Carmina Burana.  No less than Porter, Gershwin and Irving Berlin (plenty of others, naturally).  I grew up as an only child in a slightly bleak working class house which was brightened by my mother playing Sinatra and the soundtrack from 'South Pacific' or 'Moon River' - that kind of thing.  But I'd also hear New Orleans, some jivy stuff like Al Cooper as well as 'Swan Lake'.  Thank God they both had broad tastes.  Anyone dig Sondheim, that kind of thing?  Anthony Newley?

 

#28 2021-11-12 13:18:28

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Yes, the scenes were really different on both sides of the pond.
In the UK straight ahead Jazz had really been relegated to a rapidly decreasing number of small back rooms with a dying audience. Even in London during the early Eighties many clubs struggled. This wasn't just about the music but also about going out at night.Many people have forgotten how dangerous British cities  were back then
I remember seeing Cedar Walton in an almost empty Ronnie Scotts.

When American musicians were coming over here the younger element in the audience probably had a greater interest in what they'd recorded some 15-20 years previous.
There were exceptions to the rule. The Heath Brothers were very popular as their albums covered such a wide spectrum.

I know that this is a massive generalisation but many straight ahead performers had also forgotten what it was like to entertain. Countless times my eyes would glaze over due to endless free blowing and formulaic drum solo's.More so Uk artists.

When I started going to gigs in New York I was driven by venue name rather than who was performing. The benefit was I saw a really diverse array of artists from a tribute band to Machito,  cabaret star Bobby Short and Ray Brown playing in record store. What surprised me was the audience was generally younger, much more inclusive and wanted a great time rather being obsessed by catalogue numbers.

 

#29 2021-11-12 13:46:03

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Tribute to Machito? Sounds particularly good. His son (Mario Grillo) still leads the Machito Orchestra.

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#30 2021-11-12 14:31:34

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Yes, his son. That rings a bell. I think it was mid eighties.
Machito had recently died I think
I had purchased an album on Timeless that featured the Ronnie Scott Mambo a few years previous to this. Probably the stand out track on the album.

 

#31 2021-11-12 14:36:54

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Machito and his Salsa Big Band – Machito!!! Not his best work but still well worth a listen.

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#32 2021-11-12 14:39:13

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The Machito Orchestra was arguably the greatest ever. Certainly on a par with Tito Puente although not quite as famous.


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#33 2021-11-12 17:02:31

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Great input from Alvey.  All I could have hoped for and much, much more.

 

#34 2021-11-12 18:31:43

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'The Latin Jazz Quintet (w/Ramirez, Dolphy, 1960)'

I still don't have a copy of the album, but I have a couple of their tracks on compilations, both of which are superb.


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#35 2021-11-12 20:52:38

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Yeah, I would have picked it up if it hadn't been so beat up. Looked like it had seen 1000 house parties and been thrown onto the dance floor without a sleeve after each play. Sleeve would be a G+, record would struggle to make G. The other records that looked like they were from the same owner (similar markings/writing) were similarly destroyed latin lp's, the Mar-keys meet Booker T & the MG's, "This is Soul" (Atlantic), A Date With The Everly Brothers, and a budget label Dave Clark Five record. Now I regret not getting it just for the cover.

 

#36 2021-11-12 21:16:05

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Yes those Dave Clark Five sleeves are nice.


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#37 2021-11-13 01:23:09

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I made a habit, some years ago, of visiting an antiques centre in a tourist town where a dealer offered ancient jazz EPs etc. and, yes, bought them just for the colourful covers.  Then I went through a phase of Ebay buying and selling and a Joe Harriott that I'd paid two or three pounds for got a lot of attention.  Sold to a woman in France (where they do like their jazz, right?).  I would be tempted to do this again if the opportunity presented itself.

 

#38 2021-11-13 01:27:55

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'Evidence of a better world'.  I can relate to that.

 

#39 2021-11-13 02:16:03

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Yuca wrote ‘ Yes those Dave Clark Five sleeves are nice.’

I was in Regent Street last Saturday and it was closed to traffic for a display of the London to Brighton vintage cars. There was also a line up of E-Type Jags, including a white convertible that was sold new to Dave Clark in the 60s and was later owned by the drummer Mike Smith. I mention it because the car featured on a couple of their album covers.

One of several stunning E-types that were lined up. Now,  if I ever came into a large sum of money …..


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#40 2021-11-13 10:39:55

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You'd certainly be feeling glad all over if you owned one of those.


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#41 2021-11-13 13:34:12

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On the subject of jazz, back in the nineties I briefly moved away from dance floor jazz, and started to collect more ballads, with strings albums and mainstream artists such as Scott Hamilton.
It was romantic, late night music. The forgotten sound of seduction.
Patricia by Art Pepper, Night Lights by Gerry Mulligan, Love Theme from Spartacus by Coleman Hawkins. Early Autumn by Stan Getz.
You get the picture.
Jazz covers such a broad spectrum of sounds.

 

#42 2021-11-13 16:41:28

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^ Love it.  One of my memories of the 60s, aside from The Beatles and The Beach Boys, is Sinatra singing 'Strangers In The Night'. 

Getz.  Didn't Ronnie Scott say he'd slipped a disc bending over backwards for Stan Getz?

A joke my Dad liked to tell.

 

#43 2021-11-13 22:26:42

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I like the DC5 but thought Yuca was having a bit of a laugh with a deliberate misinterpretation there. smile I meant the Latin Jazz Quintet cover.

 

#44 2021-11-14 01:54:00

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Back to the sounds, I heard 'Take Five' during an episode of 'The Sopranos' and enjoyed it, possibly for the first time.  Of course it made a welcome change from some of the mind-numbing/bland crap that is often to be heard here and there.  Still, the blending of music with action and dialogue is handled well, unlike in movies like 'Casino' or 'Goodfellas'.

 

#45 2021-11-14 09:36:55

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AFS : Getz was also referred to as “ nice bunch of guys??
It might have been by Stan Tracey. Getz had been particularly hard work across a residence.

One of my all time favourite jazz albums is his Bossas and Ballads The lost sessions. It’s one of his later albums.

 

#46 2021-11-14 12:29:15

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Around '78 I was going to clubs that were playing Jazz, Funk & Soul. It was about that time I discovered Grover Washington Jnr, I was in a record shop in Bracknell one lunchtime and they were playing Reed Seed. I ended up buying it and listening to more of that funky Jazz, Sadao Watanabe was another I was into.
It was only when I started shopping in the Ivy Shop that I started listening to Coletrane, Konitz, Getz, Mulligan etc. They played it in the shop and it seemed to go hand in hand with the clothes. It was also around that time that there was a jazz boom going onin the UK. Bluenote started to reissue and remaster their back catalogue, Girl from Ipanema may have made the top 30, and so nearly 40 years later I'm still listening to stuff that's 50-60 years old.

 

#47 2021-11-14 12:35:32

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My Dad saw Konitz (who sadly died recently) in a pub in Leicestershire: probably in the 80s.  Ian Strachan is said to have been something of a Coltrane fanatic.  The earlier tracks are probably the best.  Dad began collecting around 1952 and amassed a massive collection of albums and, eventually, CDs.  He was pretty pleased when I started taking an interest.  We saw some CDs for sale the last time we met.  He said he'd go back for them: some Chicago recordings.  He died a few days later.  Just goes to show.

 

#48 2021-11-14 12:56:41

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'I like the DC5 but thought Yuca was having a bit of a laugh with a deliberate misinterpretation there.'

Yes.


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#49 2021-11-14 13:10:06

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Sadao Watanabe and Hiroshima Fukamura  Hunt up wind- what a tune.
Your journey from jazz funk into jazz was similar to mine. I think it’s a natural progression.
American clothes were big on the jazz funk scene in the early eighties.I remember varsity jackets known as Richie Cunningham jackets, letterman cardigans and sweatshirts from Russell and Champion being big.
We called loafers slipper shoes.Great for dancing in.
About 84 a load of really rubbish electro came out.The guys who were into jazz started to dig deeper.It wasn’t such a big step from Donald Byrd Dominoes to Jeanine. Getting hold of the records was really easy too with a relatively large number of specialist stores.
There was an awful lot of music snobbery too.The older guys I met at gigs were unwelcoming and treated jazz as some kind of dark art of catalogue numbers and sidemen credits.They were also scruffy.

 

#50 2021-11-14 13:17:47

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Unusually perhaps I did the opposite route. Got into 50s/60s jazz as a mod and despised jazz funk as heresy. In later years I realised that of course the jazz funk era produced loads of amazing grooves. Becoming a breakbeat fanatic certainly helped me to track down a lot of the best 70s jazz.


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