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#1 2021-10-10 05:08:00

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The Visual Illiteracy Of The English Male

Again, I think this is a subject our Gibson has alluded to.  How often do you find yourself looking at their shoes?  They might be wearing something slightly above average above the waist, but below...  clown shoes, pointy shoes, some cheap type of trainer...  I saw a dozen or more pairs of badly-made, cheap-looking desert boots and (mostly tasselled) loafers yesterday (in charity shops).  What was the point in making and selling them?  The best pair of shoes I saw last week were a pair of tan brogues that looked superficially like Florsheim Imperials yet were probably Loake.  Too English perhaps but at least they looked well-made.  Why must clothing scream its origins?  Super-Dry!  Jack Wills!  Fred Perry!  To my credit, ahem, I was wearing a periwinkle blue Brooks shirt and a navy cashmere v-neck (again Brooks) and sporting my newly repaired and cleaned-up cordo wingtips, which I've had since about 2007 (I think).  The famous fly-fronted 1960s Burberrys' lay on the back seat of the car while I snuck a pastrami and emmental panini (in a most unlikely setting). 
I was searching - without any success whatever - for an old herringbone overcoat with raglan sleeves.  Didn't see a single overcoat of any description.

 

#2 2021-10-10 06:02:47

woofboxer
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Re: The Visual Illiteracy Of The English Male

I’ve more or less given up on the charity shops around our way from the point of view of clothing. All I ever seem to find is M&S stripey polo shirts, Next and occasionally Canda (C&A) in the casual clothes, all pensioner gear. Business clothes are usually T.M. Lewin or Charles Tyrwhitt.

I’m more likely to be looking at the books and CDs.

If I’m in a posh London suburb like Kensington the chazzas can be worth a spin, as are the ones in the well to do towns out in Sussex where you might turn up the odd good quality coat. I found a pair of unworn Sanders playboys in my size in a place in Barnes for £25, but they were an insipid fawn colour so I walked away from them. I suppose I could have bought them and put them on ebay with a chance of turning a few quid, but it seemed somehow immoral to do so, either that or I couldn’t be fagged.


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#3 2021-10-10 06:08:29

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Re: The Visual Illiteracy Of The English Male

An acclaimed English menswear guru once said to me something along the lines of "Nobody ever got rich by overestimating the taste of the British public". Watch Gogglebox for 2 minutes, if you can bear it, and witness the core tenets of British culture - humour, self-deprecation, not taking anything too seriously, not getting ideas above your station. Now there is  much to admire in such qualities, but it can lead to a kind of braindead culture, lacking in curiosity, wary of difference, a suspicion of aspiration and pretension. I think this feeds into approaches to dress - dress down, don't stand out, don't make a fuss, oh that'll do, what!  I'm not paying that! Having served men buying clothes I can tell you that the very worst scenario is the man shopping with wife/partner... Lordy Lord... The man trying on a peerless ivy tweed jacket - "what do you think love?". "Oooh no Tony, makes you look like an old man". Witnessed this many times. "Do you like these shoes Mary?" "oh not slip-ons, you'll look like a spiv". Mass visual ignorance. Of course the shops I'm talking about had a significant percentage of advanced shoppers who understood what was on offer, but there was still a decent number of lost souls, brains addled by the corrosion of mass popular culture.

 

#4 2021-10-10 06:38:44

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I saw more Lewin yesterday than I could shake a stick at.  Depressing.  My daughter got the best deal, with her wool and cashmere Lacoste jumper.  She's more interested in clothing than her elder sister (who has become a bit of a yummy-mummy, her photograph decorating every English newspaper from 'The Sun' to 'The Independent').  Young 'un went through a Mary Quant phase and is now looking at classic English clothing.  No artistically torn jeans for her.

 

#5 2021-10-10 06:42:20

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Re: The Visual Illiteracy Of The English Male

Fawn Sanders I wouldn't mind.  Not at all.

 

#6 2021-10-10 06:51:40

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The wedding photographs are now available on YouTube!  Isn't the internet wonderful?  Somewhere, off-camera, is a fat slob wearing Mercer and Florsheims.

 

#7 2021-10-11 16:50:27

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Re: The Visual Illiteracy Of The English Male

Man shopping with with tweed adverse partner scenario above rings true. Over the(long) years, the garments I've worn that inexplicably garnered negative reactions from girls/women I was dating/trying to date were: Pendleton 49'er, Pendleton button down, H.I.S. Sportswear tweed coat, and wash and wear plaid sport coat.

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#8 2021-11-03 07:55:35

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Re: The Visual Illiteracy Of The English Male

Mm, visiting charity shops in our would-be trendy, actually rather dismal, high street is an education in itself.  Every item of male clothing seems to be either the colour of a handful of mud scooped up at low tide or in colour ways even the most insensitive American prepster might consider.  F&F, Tu and Blue Harbour (I think that's what it's called) seem to rule every roost.  As if that isn't bad enough, take a look at shoes - bad enough to give that chap Shooman apoplexy.  Nothing even halfway decent. 
What are men spending their money on?  Cars?  Holidays?  A new giant vibrator for the wife?  (I mean the K word, but 'Talk Ivy' can be eccentric in its 'corrections').  And they look like shit.  The puddle around the ankles.  The nylon football shirt straining over the beer belly.  The trainer socks and muddy Matalan t-shirts.  Are the Italians like this?  The French?  Catalans?  The Spanish?  Portugese?

 

#9 2021-11-03 09:40:15

Runninggeez
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Re: The Visual Illiteracy Of The English Male

It's an education when walking round the High St these days. I went to Guildford a few weeks ago for the first time in around a year. I think I saw only one guy who was smartly dressed or who'd taken time to think about what he was going to wear, and I'm not talking about young lads who appear to only live in tracksuits, baseball caps and sliders. These were men who should know better. To cap it off I was wandering around the Ralph concession in House of Fraser and a man was trying on some knitwear, he turned to his wife/partner and said "well do you like it dear". I felt like saying she isn't going to be wearing it mate.
Whenever I've been shopping I've always made the effort, and this goes back more than 40 years, but this doesn't appear to ring true with most people these days.

 

#10 2021-11-14 01:46:09

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Re: The Visual Illiteracy Of The English Male

Odd pairs of shorts are still to be seen everywhere.  In mid-November.  Even the postman wears them.  Just seen an elderly dog-walker.  What gives?  The three-quarter length/cargo pants thing is even worse.

 

#11 2021-11-14 04:08:39

Runninggeez
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Re: The Visual Illiteracy Of The English Male

I own a pair of cargo's but they are only worn when gardening or washing the car during the summer months.

 

#12 2021-11-14 08:25:00

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Re: The Visual Illiteracy Of The English Male

That 3/4 length thing baffles me. Who decides that it’s not warm enough for shorts, but not so cold that they need full length trousers?
I’ve got a pair of those fatigue style trousers that were around a few years ago. Again, for outdoor jobs

 

#13 2021-11-14 11:01:23

A Fine Sadness
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Re: The Visual Illiteracy Of The English Male

The 'Beanie' is also somewhat beyond my comprehension.

 

#14 2021-11-16 07:33:49

SenorBlues
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Re: The Visual Illiteracy Of The English Male

Agree to almost all of the above. For what it's worth though, when I visited Tuscany a few years back I had high hopes of getting some inspiration from the Italian males, but almost all of them were dressed in the most appalling, gaudy Armani crap. I'm talking snow washed multi-ripped denim, leather and PVC trousers and lots of oversized silver plate. By comparison, the Brits in their Panamas looked positively stately.


“I have never listened to anyone who criticised my taste in space travel, sideshows or gorillas. When this occurs, I pack up my dinosaurs and leave the room.”
Ray Bradbury

 

#15 2021-11-16 08:09:15

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Re: The Visual Illiteracy Of The English Male

The last time I saw Italy...  Venice in the pouring rain...  They were mostly in hats, raincoats, scarves and gloves by then...  October, and we'd ridden up from Rome by train: quite an experience.  The skies darkened as we pulled out of the station and we never saw another glimmer of sun...  Ah, how I adore that country...  I have hopes of returning to Genoa next year...

 

#16 2021-11-19 10:26:22

katon
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Re: The Visual Illiteracy Of The English Male

Clown shoes are country-Ivy, where they are called "Munson Last" shoes. big_smile

 

#17 2022-07-05 04:41:51

AFS
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Re: The Visual Illiteracy Of The English Male

As I laced up my sand-coloured Astorflex, the roofer (aged 70) asked: 'Are those loafers'? 
What gives?

 

#18 2022-07-05 04:49:03

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Re: The Visual Illiteracy Of The English Male

In which decade did the wearing of cheap, mass-produced clothing begin?  The 1960s?

 
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