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#51 2021-11-14 16:38:31

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Mr.Singer, I suppose the trad/modernist split was no longer of much importance on the jazz scene by then: they were perhaps all scruffs.  Reading Melly on the period is fun: all that stuff about Bruce Turner etc.  But listening to jazz was a minority interest, right?  When my old man was told, at work in 1960, there was a fellow enthusiast to hand it began a lifelong friendship.

 

#52 2021-11-14 16:53:01

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Well trad jazz was a big thing in British pubs back in the late 1950s. And the likes of Dave Brubeck brought modern jazz to the masses. However those in the UK actually collecting records by US artists (old or new) must have been a lot rarer.

When it comes to jazz I actually listen to, Louis Jordan gets more plays in my home than any other jazz artist. Perfection.


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#53 2021-11-14 16:54:04

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The 50s had the best men's clothes, but the 40s had a lot of the best music.


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#54 2021-11-15 00:51:15

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I should say Louis Jordan is a sound choice; no gloomy introspection there.  An upbeat sound, like Armstrong at his best (when he wasn't hamming it up).  (I always liked the fact that Philip Larkin rated Satch as a far more significant cultural influence for the 20th century than Pablo Picasso).  If I had to choose music for a desert island I would probably go for Astaire singing Cole Porter.  Not jazz admittedly but...  well...  I must get back to Bird: but the slower stuff, when the blues can be felt more powerfully.

 

#55 2021-11-15 02:40:40

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Astaire would score highly on my list too.
I  highly rate the Astaire Story he did with JATP, so much so I bought the remastered Avid Jazz Singer as well as the original Verve recording.
I love the relaxed sound of his voice that sits perfectly with this band.
I have a bootleg -ish Sinatra recording in a very similar style

 

#56 2021-11-15 03:06:02

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Hoagy Carmichael is also a favourite of mine, first seen in a movie with Bogart and Bacall (can't remember which - 'To Have And Have Not'?).  Anything rather low-key.  I expect my wife and I will be watching our favourite Hollywood musicals in the run-up to Christmas, then between Christmas and New Year.  'Top Hat' and 'Gold Diggers Of 1933' will be at the top of the list.  Non-musical: 'Scrooge' (Alistair Sim) on Christmas Eve, 'The Maltese Falcon' on Christmas Day, 'It's A Wonderful Life' on Boxing Day.  Some early Hitchcock, too.  Then anything from the 30s with Jean Arthur.

 

#57 2021-11-15 05:38:28

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Surprised Chet Baker has not received more attention.  What a player, what a dreadful existence.

 

#58 2021-11-15 06:35:02

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One of my early jazz albums I purchased was in fact Chet Baker Art & Art Pepper "Playboys". The album had no photo of the the pair,so you couldn't see how cool Baker was. It just a woman with a glove puppet on each hand.
This was also a good few years before he was considered a style Icon, see Fred Dellar/Roy Carr & Brian Case's book The Hip.

 

#59 2021-11-15 06:37:28

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'The Hip'.  Forgotten all about that.  My Dad owned the album, though - slightly risque cover.

 

#60 2021-11-18 12:23:41

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Turned up some late 60's latin funk/soul lps at a thrift this week, including Little Joe & the Latinaires "Follow The Leader" with a killer take on James Brown's "Soul Pride", covers of Curtis Mayfield, Dave Brubeck, etc, and Ray Camacho & the Teardrops 1st Lp with "Wade In The Water", Puente's "Cha Cha Mambo", etc.

 

#61 2021-11-18 12:29:08

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Damn. I'm jealous.


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#62 2021-11-18 13:02:42

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Still good stuff out there to be turned up.

 

#63 2021-12-11 11:42:44

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Listening to Bird the other day for the first time in a long time, I couldn't help but be impressed.  For sheer excitement at the time he must have taken some beating. 
I think my old Dad was mistaken.
As Jimbo once said to me, he cuts to the chase.
Parker, he meant.

 

#64 2021-12-11 11:58:53

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As I've said before: Bird guesting with The Machito Orchestra was one hell of a combination. They recorded together Dec 48 and Jan 49.


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#65 2021-12-11 12:11:30

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Now on my list of 'to-get' items, together with Dizzy Gillespie.

 

#66 2021-12-11 12:13:46

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Located a CD also featuring Diz.

 

#67 2021-12-12 02:22:00

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I think some more Monk must be on the cards.

 

#68 2021-12-12 10:47:55

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Charlie Parker with Strings is one hell of an album.
It manages to avoid all the schmaltz that strings can sometimes create and still maintain its jazziness.
This version of Laura remains a firm favourite of mine.
There's a great story - and I hope it's true. Johnny Mercer wrote the lyrics without hearing the music. He was just given a plot summary of the film and that was sufficient. Oh to have that much talent.

 

#69 2021-12-12 10:51:56

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'Laura'.  Yes!  Still on loan to my daughter.  I must retrieve it.  Clifton Webb is wonderful. 

Alvey, did you hear the one about Dana Andrews only having two facial expressions?  In 'Laura' he's said to be doing his 'headache commercial' face.  Pretty good in 'The Best Years Of Our Lives', though. 

Glad you reminded me.  Christmas fare indeed.

 

#70 2021-12-12 11:21:20

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Re Dana Andrews.  Doesn't one of the little kids in 'Radio Days' say he's in love with Dana Andrews?  A lovely, underrated movie.

 

#71 2021-12-12 11:43:45

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Clifton Webb. Great actor. I hated his character Waldo Lydecker. Such a prig.

Back onto Jazz.

I am really digging late Billie Holiday on Verve. The smaller group settings really appeal to me. It's mostly the same guys from the Astaire Story set.

I feel that Verve is sometimes placed in the second division because it wasn't cool like Blue Note. It was more old Basie-ites like Eddison.

 

#72 2021-12-12 11:46:49

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Yeah, I dig Verve.

 

#73 2021-12-29 07:50:03

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Here's an interview with Cal Tjader from approx. 1963 - ivy haircut and glasses perfection:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5zT3FqBBdc

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#74 2022-01-04 02:28:28

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AFM mentions Chet here. I've just read John Cooper Clarke's very entertaining autobiography and he recounts a scene where a hollow-cheeked, dead-eyed old American guy sells him heroin when he was touring in Amsterdam. It took him a while to realise this was actually the great Chet Baker. A wretched end indeed.

 

#75 2022-01-04 03:33:30

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I must read that.  To my everlasting shame, I shoplifted 'Snap, Crackle And Bop' from HMV back in - 1979?  I must owe John CC at least £2.50 so the least I can do is buy his book. 
I lived in Broughton, Salford, in a dingy bedsit for two years but only ever caught sight of him once, supporting Nico at the Library Theatre.

 

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