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#1 2021-12-18 12:12:30

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Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

Every so often (about twice a day on average) I'll begin trawling Ebay for (mainly) USA-made items being sold here in England.  There's a surprising amount. 
Something I can't bring myself to buy, however, is any shirt (most often a polo shirt) with horizontal features - hoops and bands, right?  Maybe it reminds me too much of a rugby shirt.  I don't know.  But to me it'll look, well, 'preppie' ('trad' is not a word I tend to use other than in a jazz sense), and old aversions die hard.  No problem with lots of stripes, is there?  I saw a very spiffy Gant a couple of months ago that someone also fancied.  But hoops and bands - no.

 

#2 2021-12-18 12:41:47

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

Horizontal stripes make the wearer look more rotund. Ok if you're underweight I suppose, but even then I'm not keen and besides, I'm pretty sure even your worst enemy wouldn't accuse you of being underweight. (Nor could mine accuse me of same.) Also I find horizontal stripes often look effeminate, which I assume is not something you're aiming for (although if it is you know there's no discrimination on here).

No offence intended to any French sailors.


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#3 2021-12-19 01:03:45

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

^ Makes sense.  Some slimmer women might get away with it.  I did, in fact, buy some 60s Viyella 'French-sailor' style tops about a dozen or more years ago.  Simply didn't take to them.

 

#4 2021-12-19 01:27:58

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

Not for me anymore.
When I was younger I had quite a collection of long and short sleeve blue/white stripe T’s. Worked really well with jeans and desert boots.
Seems to me those long sleeves have become part of the uniform of school pick up mum. Usually worn with green fishtail parka and Ugg boots.
Definitely couldn’t go with a stripe polo. I could only put them in with golf/rugby style at best. At worst (block stripe)  on a mouthy little rat faced chav as a Sunday Best alternative to a hoodie (probably a wedding. Or Wetherspoons)
In my mind they can’t even be elevated to Prep.

 

#5 2021-12-19 01:33:18

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

Worse, even worse, you can picture a popped collar.

 

#6 2021-12-19 04:01:23

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

I’m always reminded of those camp matelot’ types in the Jean Paul Gaultier perfume ads.


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#7 2021-12-19 04:22:14

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

Looked great on the Lisbon Lions of 1967.

Green and white is a particularly pleasing combination.

Perhaps best on the sports field though.


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#8 2021-12-19 04:33:56

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

Not forgetting the all conquering Belfast Celtic, forced out of existence by sectarian violence in 1949

http://www.belfastceltic.org/history/index.html


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#9 2021-12-19 06:47:22

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

Growing up, my younger brother, a useful footballer, had copies of the Celtic shirt and the QPR shirt. The West Ham away blue shirt with two claret hoops is one of the most popular shirts of all time amongst older fans . Hoops look good on young, fit people.
When I  was in shape I used to wear both a blue and white and red and white hoops. Can't wear them now that I'm out of shape.
Didn't someone post a clip of mid 60 mods wearing hooped t shirts?


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#10 2021-12-19 07:10:05

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

Yes QPR in their pomp - Rodney, Stan, Dave Thomas, Don Givens, Gerry Francis and his mullet.

Saw them a few times with pals. They were quite popular around my way even when they were in the third division - either good deals for kids and/or a Shepherds Bush connection.


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#11 2021-12-19 07:50:43

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

As I pare down to what I really like and wear often, and give away what I’ve experimented with and/or like as a concept or as worn by others, I find everything I own is solid. University stripes and tattersalls are great. I even used to collect those wild paisley print button downs with labels like Arrow Cum Laude and Campus. I sent a lot of mine to Worried Man a while back. I still appreciate them. But nowadays, an Oxford cloth button down in a blue or white, with a white t-shirt underneath is all the “design??  I need.

And so, while I am drawn to broad patterns, I find I get overwhelmed in them. The classic solid OCBD is a subtle frame for me- rather than me becoming a billboard for a design, pattern, etc.

 

#12 2021-12-19 08:19:01

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

Over our side of East london/Essex QPR and Chelsea were popular teams because of the football they played and the characters in their teams. Chelsea in the 60s and QPR in the early 70s.
If a London team got to the cup final we would want them to win. It was tribal back then but today it seems worse to me.
Nothing to do with hoops and bands, sorry. Rambling again.


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#13 2021-12-19 11:39:59

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

I'm pretty much one hundred per cent with Jdemy on this.  I'll wear check, but stripes and solids are better.  Fourteen or fifteen years ago, when it seemed easier to find Makers on Ebay, I bought both green and yellow university/candy stripe.  I'd have liked something in red: never found one.

 

#14 2021-12-19 11:51:43

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

'Didn't someone post a clip of mid 60 mods wearing hooped t shirts?'

This is the problem with a lot of mod clothing: what looked good on 1960s teenage amphetamine users is often not so flattering on the middle aged. Particularly those who love beer and/or don't do much in the way of exercise.


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#15 2021-12-19 11:58:25

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

From what we read of 60s Mods they might have been in and out of those hooped shirts in around seven days or less. 
'One week he's in polka dots, the next week he's in stripes...'  Is that how it goes?

 

#16 2021-12-19 12:25:21

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

Well there are reports of mod fashions coming and going at high speed, at the same time the photos show that plenty of items remained acceptable for years.


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#17 2021-12-19 13:07:01

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

Plenty of cash needed for trips to the tailor etc.

 

#18 2021-12-19 13:39:08

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

Bretton style tops and T’s are one of the very few items that have been acceptable as mod casual wear for most, if not all of the cult’s existence. Certainly from the very early sixties through swinging London, revival and into at least the mid nineties. Most probably still today.
Along with the obvious; Levi’s, desert boots, button down shirts, they’ve just always been there.
Worn by girls as well as guys.
Also plain T’s with a single hoop around the chest have been popular.
In fact I’d wager that all told, more mods over the years have sported the stripe than the target.

 

#19 2021-12-20 07:56:13

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

1. Re : Kingstonian - Dave Thomas, ex-QPR. Joined Everton in 1977. A teenage hero of mine. I used to stand bottom-right in the Gwladys Street End so I could see Dave, socks rolled down, rubber soled boots, come jinking down the left wing to delicately float in crosses for Big Bob Latchford to net his 30 goals on one season. Fantastic memories and a beautiful player. This dear chap is now blind and has a guide dog, He was interviewed by QPR fan Robert Elms on the radio and they were both in tears. I was too.
2. I sometimes wear those middle class Breton tops they all wear round my North London way. It's not Ivy really, but fits in with a pair of jeans and desert boots. Sometimes I get bored with the orthodoxy and a bit of stripe is a bit of a break from the tyranny of 'the syllabus'.

 

#20 2021-12-20 08:00:28

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

I'm a big fan of collegiate sporting stripes on knitwear.
I have recently sold several organs on the black market to be able to afford some J Press shaggy dogs with stripes to the arm or chest

 

#21 2021-12-20 10:06:11

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

Sorry to hear Dave Thomas is blind. He was a very entertaining and unassuming player.


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#22 2021-12-20 10:07:56

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

Does anyone remember the days when First Division players ended up running chip shops and newsagents'?

 

#23 2021-12-20 10:14:00

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

Henry Cooper served in the family greengrocer shop on Wembley High Road when he retired.

Unlike another Wembley boxer, Fraudley Harrison, who made far more money.


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#24 2021-12-20 10:18:21

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

Back in the 1970s Alvey Singer could possibly have run a modestly-priced Singer motor car (possibly their take on a Hillman Imp) and also had an old Alvis to work on as a restoration project.


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#25 2021-12-20 10:46:06

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Re: Hoops And Bands: A Visual Problem?

Ex-footballers also owned Sport Shops, we had two round my way Jim Standen an FA & European Cup winner who played with the holy trinity of Moore, Hurst & Peters, who were the star guests at the opening. Also Johnny Berry a Busby babe and survivor of the Munich air crash had a sport shop in Farnborough.

 

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