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#76 2022-01-04 04:37:37

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The Robin Kelley biography of Monk will keep anyone interested in jazz slightly before 'the bebop revolution' mesmerised for hours with its pages detailing jam sessions at Minton's Playhouse, the constant scuffling for work, how guys like Monk were ripped off by not only ofay motherfuckers but his own people, the fifteen people jammed into a small apartment where he needed to practise, the heroin, the hunger, the fist fights after sessions that failed to go according to plan.

 

#77 2022-01-04 07:11:55

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I must have told you this before but I was in J.Simons Russell Street once and JCC came in and charmed me and John with his wit and general air of benevolent bonhomie. He bought a tie. "I'll take this. One size fits all". On peering at me over his shades "you look like a regular here". He writes beautifully too, particularly when recounting the Manchester of his youth.

 

#78 2022-01-04 07:57:41

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I remember reading, years ago, that he lived in a kind of broom cupboard in Stevenage (of all places), living on something like packet soup (or was it Pot Noodles?).  No, it was boil-in-the-bag curry.  I wonder if, like John Le Mesurier, he tried popping it into an electric kettle.  I once lived on peanut butter.  Just ate it from the jar with a spoon.  No washing up. 
I shall certainly buy it, if only to make up for half-inching his LP from HMV.

 

#79 2022-01-06 08:47:08

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Let's not forget what went before: the likes of George Lewis and Freddie Keppard.  If you don't believe me just buy yourself a Lewis CD and wait until you're in a depressed mood.  George will set you right.

 

#80 2022-03-09 04:24:41

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Just picked up a copy of Roy Carr's 'Century Of Jazz' in the local Oxfam bookshop. 
A very nasty study of Miles Davis looking like a cross between James Brown, Hendrix and any rock star of circa 1970 you'd care to mention hits you full on - whap! - kapow! - About a third of the way in, however, we get to a young Dexter Gordon, looking cool as fuck in some kind of lightweight Dixie bucket hat, a white t-shirt and possibly a linen jacket.  Mr. Chet soon crops up and looks about average, but Mulligan and some of the other West Coast types look the business.  Plenty of sunshine on the occasions they were snapped for those LP covers, one assumes. 
A good many images that I remember from my late father's collection.

 

#81 2022-03-09 06:06:52

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I fancy there is a better chance of finding decent reading material in Oxfam than other charity bookshops. They also seem to feature a higher jazz quotient amongst their CDs, but it still takes dedicated scouring through the hits of ABC and Bonny Tyler to turn up the odd nugget.


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#82 2022-03-09 06:12:23

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I'll be visiting another Oxfam bookshop on Friday, plus at least one other (if still operating) that raises money for something slightly obscure.  The one in Matlock recently had an enormous number of overpriced jazz CDs, plus a nice selection of books.  I bought the biography of Clifford Brown. 
Just bought Robert Gordon's book on the West Coast sound from a charity operating online.

 

#83 2022-03-09 16:14:12

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AFS
I've been buying jazz records for over 40 years and it took most of that time to get into West Coast Jazz.
The transition from Fusion to hard Bop was relatively easy as you simply had to dig deeper into artists back catalogues to uncover some gems. Case in point Donald Byrd.
My problem was in sifting through a wider selection of sounds, band structures and artists that were on the West Coast.
I realised you could split  it into artists that had a certain lighter sounds and artists that were simply based on the west coast. Of course you also get artists who mange to straddle both camps too. One minute hard swinging the next soft and light.
The Cool Sounds For a Warm Evening compilation proved to be the ideal starting point. This together with both the Gordan Book and Ted Gioia book.
I  still find the style a whole mixed bag to be honest. I'm not a fan of piano less quartets for example. The use of clarinet or oboe leaves me cold.
I have whittled down my preferences now to a few select recordings and listen in the warmer months.
Whenever I stray too far into the unknown I find a return to Blue Note helps rebalance my tastes. Only the other day I heard a great version of Besame Mucho by the Three Sounds.

 

#84 2022-03-10 08:08:51

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Gordon's book - which I'm reading at the moment - seems very thorough and somehow familiar.  I think my father must have had it on his shelves and I picked it up and dipped into it at some point - although I was probably more interested in Blue Note and in bebop at that time.

 

#85 2022-03-10 08:53:36

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He - Gordon - does not come across as a big fan of Chet Baker.

 

#86 2022-03-12 17:01:26

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Here is a strange one to check out. You'll find it on YouTube

Stock Aitkin and Warterman - Yes, that SAW who produced numerous hits for Rick Astley, Banarama and Kylie  – also did a version of the Eddie Jefferson song New York Afternoon.

What makes this version well worth hunting for is the vocal is provided by non other than Georgie Fame. He's on top form too.

The track is under the name Mondo Kane and is genuinely worth a listen.

Sadly, according to the record books, it only charted at 70 and that was the end of their foray into quality music. Although as a youngster I did have a crush on Banarama. But that as they say is another story.....

 

#87 2022-03-13 05:31:32

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"Although as a youngster I did have a crush on Banarama."

As an old man I've still got a crush on them.

https://twitter.com/VivaBananarama/status/1500760512669396993

 

#88 2022-03-13 05:56:28

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The track is under the name Mondo Kane and is genuinely worth a listen.

Great track, sitting in the garden with a cold one on a summers afternoon/early evening, it's on my summer playlist with tracks like Matt Bianco's Half a Minute, Ronnie Jordan's After Hours & a bit of Michael Franks.

 

#89 2022-03-13 10:43:36

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RG,
Yes , Micheal Franks in Summer. Great choice.
Barefoot on the beach is a fav.

 

#90 2022-03-13 14:45:47

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I’ve always been a sucker for Georgie Fame. I kind of grew up with his music as my dad used to see him at The Flamingo way back. But I was never aware of that Mondo Kane track. Really worth a listen. Thanks.

Matt Bianco were always better than Yeh Yeh. I particularly like the Joey Negro Sunburnt mix of Half a Minute which I discovered on a Soul Togetherness compilation. They’ve gone off and on the boil over the years but the Gravity album is well worth a listen.

 

#91 2022-03-13 16:43:29

Runninggeez
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Alvey,

Definitely, along with Now that Summer's Here & Summer in New York.

 

#92 2022-03-14 02:54:22

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So not a bunch of wankers then.


some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#93 2022-03-14 13:36:12

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I had a big haul of CDs this morning: Tubby Hayes with Ronnie Scott (which I may not like), Bill Evans, Dexter Gordon, Oscar Peterson, Diz, Ben Webster; some others.  Nothing above £1.99, some at three for a pound.  At those prices you can afford to experiment a bit. 
Pleased to have read the Robert Gordon book - fascinating and taught me a hell of a lot.

 

#94 2022-03-15 11:08:07

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I expect this has been covered before, more than once, but Roy Carr talks of jazz players on the West Coast - specifically on the West Coast - switching to Ivy League clothing in the early 50s: thus eschewing the zoot style of New York and elsewhere in the East.  Does this theory hold water?

 

#95 2022-03-15 15:34:28

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AFS
Tubby and Ronnie. Fabulous. Listen to Mirage and The Serpent by the Jazz Couriers.Transports you back to Fifties Soho. Modernists on the street mixing with sharp looking Italian waiters. Musicians standing by in Archer Street ready to join Geraldo’s Navy and go off to Manhattan.
Bar Italia we all know but how about The Nosh Bar in Great Windmill Street.
I’ll have a salt beef sandwich, a side of New Green and a hot blackcurrent as you’re buying.

 

#96 2022-03-16 03:43:25

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Ah the salt beef sandwich. I'm buying. There used to be a shop in Notting Hill Gate 1975 that sold a great sandwich. We used to go there from our office building to get our lunch. New Green is that gerkin? I don't eat meat anymore so I will have a cream cheese, salmon Beigel. That place in Brick lane does a good one. Recently my Finnish mother in law did a batch of 80 bagels in her brick oven when we took her back to her old farm building. Hers are the best as she has been making them for over 70 years. I have been known to eat 10 in a sitting.
I was too young to know the 50/60s Soho. I think it was maybe past its best by the 1970s.


'I am a closet optimist' Leonard Cohen.

 

#97 2022-03-16 04:55:20

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'The Serpent' is playing even as I type this.  I did not appreciate the way they stomped all over 'Cheek To Cheek'.  Some jazz musicians seemed to derive a great deal of pleasure from taking great old standards and pissing about with them. 
As to salt beef, I seem to be eating it for lunch every day - yesterday with an entire bottle of buttermilk bought from a Polish deli on Monday morning. 
Played 'Walkin' Shoes' before the Hayes.  Difficult to top that, I'm thinking.

 

#98 2022-03-16 06:33:41

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The 24 Hour Bagel place in Brick Lane. Now famous for a family murder.

Their salt beef sandwiches seem quite expensive. I used to occasionally get bagels from them before playing bridge in East End pubs. To be honest, bagels are a bit too sweet for me. I prefer a more savoury taste.


"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#99 2022-03-16 08:04:52

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I just like Jewish food.  Ate a memorable meal years ago at 'Gam-Gam' in Venice: vegetarian but lovingly served.  And they offered their own iced lemon tea.  It made a nice change from the kind of crappy pizza you get there or being chased along the waterfront by waiters claiming they'll be out of a job if you don't eat at 'their' restaurant.  A magical place in so many ways - but tiresome.  I preferred Puglia.

 

#100 2022-03-16 08:28:12

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I used to take immense pleasure in ordering Bacon & Cheese bagels from one of the places on Brick Lane, my Jewish friend used to twitch his nose and confess how good it smelt as he reluctantly tucked into Salt Beef.

Jazz-wise, I'm still a masochist and only ever buy stuff on vinyl. Most recent purchases were a re-release of Don Cherry's "Cherry Jam" EP - 25 minutes of pure hard-driving bliss.
The other purchase that stands out to me was (again, re-issue on a rather natty coloured bit of plastic)  Dorothy Ashby's "Hip Harp" - The sleeve notes describe her as "the most accomplished modern jazz harpist" - no idea how many of them there were, so who knows what kind of praise is being given there.
It's mostly in the vein of "A Song for Cathy" from Schifrin/Bullit, with a flute leading the way, I personally really dig it!

 

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