Yes he was. Believed everyone could change their ways if given a second chance.

Also instrumental in legalising homosexuality. Before changing his mind and deciding he strongly disapproved on moral grounds.

Prick

Interesting perspective Katon on what LLBean were selling back then.
I could have possibly been wearing Timberland boots, NF jacket and the cap but I don't think I would have been seen dead in the bandana shirt.

I have a claret coloured made in USA Kangol flat cap today that I sometimes wear at football matches. It makes me look like one of the 'Peaky Blinders' (English TV series)

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That's the beautiful thing about Ivy.

In the States it was sold as an aspirational lifestyle thing. It's very American to be able to buy into something rather than to be born into it. it also shows how some of their marketing thinking  was light years ahead of the UK. Why not link your brand to aspiration.

In the UK Ivy reflected a break from tradition.Talking to a tailor, whose now in his eighties, he reminded me what office life was like. In the early to mid fifties men often wore detachable hard collars that would cut into your neck during the course of the working day. Also, many offices weren't centrally heated so the average suit weight was a lot heavier. Stricter dress codes were also adhered to.

In my own industry I know that as American agency networks followed their clients into the UK they bought a slightly different dress code with them. Softer fabrics, neater cuts, button down collars and different colours. This must have ben so alien to many men who were still suffering from the effects of rationing, bomb sites and national service.

Ivy in the UK is whatever you want it to be.  It's your choice. 
I've just been applying stripper to a set of bookshelves I've earmarked for my CD collection.  Wearing a USA-made flannel shirt, USA-made fleece (working in my basement, you see) and my worst pair of USA-made 501s.  Now I'll take my second shower of the day and get into some better clothing.  Simple stuff: just a button-down, an old L.L.Bean cardigan and some better 501s.  Then I'll carry on reading about Norman Mailer.
The Americans have a tradition.  We do, too - as Alvey outlines above: dull, stodgy clothing for dull, stodgy people.  Which is precisely what the English are.  My father retired and never wore a tie again, except at my daughter's wedding.  That came after retirement, after years of being forced to wear standard office clothing.

Marxists perhaps have as many reasons for historical revisionism than bourgeois historians.

This might explain why most of them did not want to study the Holocaust.

It was often recommended to me but I never got round to it.

I suspect, given time (possibly not a great deal), a huge number - perhaps the majority - of people in the UK will identify - more or less - as 'middle class'.  Most will have experienced some form of 'higher education', whatever that is now supposed to amount to.  As for those that don't, those that are, in the cant phrase, 'left behind'. God only knows what they'll make of themselves or what others will make of them.
The woman responsible for my teacher training couldn't even spell 'pizza'.  A sixth-former of mine, who wanted to teach primary age children, could barely spell at all.

Now we and most of Western Europe have to wean off this thinking and start tempering peoples expectations of all being managers or making it big by selling each other coffee. Start training people to do the ordinary jobs like driving HGVs and laying bricks and reward them properly for doing it. We got addicted to cheap foreign labour and skills.

More Sports Education graduates we do not need.