How bad is the permanent crease? I always hate these because the artificiality shows and it looks really bad with a rumpled shirt.
These cotton ones are tempting. http://www.allseasonsuniforms.com/di02.htm
For £15 I closed my eyes, swallowed hard and pulled the trigger - with two minutes to go until the offer expired. These are the USA-made chinos/pants that Jdemy was perhaps referring to and others seemed to like. My idea is to give them about a dozen goes in the washing machine to soften them down then begin wearing them when my current crop of 501s give up the ghost. But they must be soft and they must be spotless. Some Ebay sellers are offering dirty, stained clothing.
I read that Dickies were once on offer at Russell Street. I certainly saw them in trendy shops in Italy back in 2005/6.
I have a couple of pairs of Dickies shorts which are made of the same cloth as their trousers, 65% cotton 35%, polyester, they are very durable. I used mine for cycling to work 9 months of the year for a decade and they are still going strong. So the good news is, if you cycle in them every day for about 5 years and wash them once a week, they will eventually lose their cardboard like consistency and start to look like chinos.
I threw the Silvermans' Uncle Ian recommended into the wash several times before there was any sign of softening. Gurteen have been the same. 'Cardboard consistency' is spot on. But, with my gradual reduction in weight, I need to experiment a little before investing. I'm around a 39/40 from a 42. Nothing to do with 'lockdown', either - I'd become a fat bastard before that, chiefly from having a sweet tooth. But I heeded the advice of (the currently absent) Yuca and exchanged soda pop for water. Also no chocolate, biscuits, cake, ice-cream etc.
Glad to see I've increased your life expectancy by a few years.
It was sound advice. Many thanks.
ASF isn't always the fucking idiot you take him for.
I bought three pairs of USA-made strides between seven and eight this morning: L.L.Bean chinos, the Dickies, then a pair of Farah cords. The poly/cotton aspect of it all is displeasing but choices must be made based on: country of origin-size-colour-price-condition etc. I'm sometimes not exactly spoiled for choice.
The 874s that I mentioned buying in 2015 proved their worth as a working trouser. I used them doing a natural stone 'skirt' around my new build house in Finland. The work involved me being on hands and knees and eventually the Dickies had holes in both knees. I liked the high waist and their durability. They did soften up but the crease was pretty permanent.
Missus bought me another pair in black for my last birthday and said that at a push they could be worn away from work.
The idea of a perma-crease worries me. I never could get on with Sta-Prest.
Years ago, though, Johnny Simons sold me (for resale only) some interesting coloured strides from the basement. Very high waisted, styled to fit a slender ballerina on a crash diet, absolutely synthetic. I assume they were sold online, together with those Fred Perry jumpers, some old G9s, shoes etc. It seems like a thousand years ago. I'm sure some were powder blue, thinking about it. But they might have been pure polyester.
I'm still not absolutely certain what to wear these with. Or when.
I had Dickies and Dockers in the nineties as a teenager. Dickies in all sorts of colours and Dockers only in natural. I think we have got the Dickies from skateboard/ trendy shops and we got the Dockers from posh stores bought by our parents.
Correction to my above post. I've just inspected my old Dickies and I can say that the crease, after quite a few washes, did disappear and they 'softened up' nicely. No prema-crease to speak of.
I washed them upon arrival. I washed them again after wearing. They may not see much action now until the autumn. I'm currently favouring a pair of navy, USA-made Ralph Lauren chinos (that actually look like the bottom half of a pair of overalls).
I'm actually wearing my 874s today. Only been washed a few times and no real crease. 65%Polyester so a dodgy pair of strides but they do feel comfortable sitting almost on the waist. In black.
I'm also wearing a Brooks Brothers shirt with a great collar roll. (nearly 4 fingers). In maroon with a windowpane check and a smaller navy check. Anderson claret belt. None of it should work but it does surprisingly. Got a compliment from my 94 year old mother in law who noticed but she is 80% blind!
They'll do. If not nicely then they'll do. The same was once said, of a certain trumpet player, by Mick Mulligan. 'He'll do'.
Robbie is basically right: they're a dodgy pair of strides. But, when all is said and done, Robbie and I are a right pair of dodgy geezers.
(The trumpet player in question was the gentleman my late father invariably referred to as 'Louis').
I have a pair of RL chinos in a petrol blue colour. I rarely wear them because they only seem to be suitable when the sun is shinning and it's summer time. Usually at those times I would be wearing Madras shorts, or similar, instead
Or my off white GAP chinos, which are a great fit.
Incidentally I got an email from Dickies re a hundred years celebration. The 100 years Denim collection won't appeal to anyone on this site, I don't think.