Nice interview in IVY STYLE: http://www.ivy-style.com/
Agreed.
We. Want. More!
- Lots more praise for the Boyer stuff in overnight mixed in with the usual ChensSnark. But I'm inclined to think that this time round Boyer wins out. So good work Chens. KEEP IT UP.
A timely bump for an old, old thread that saw precious little traction at the time.
I like his style, his attitude; everything about him.
Look as if you've just thrown your clothes on. Look as though you live in them.
Comfort. Relaxation.
Is he 'Ivy League'? Does it matter?
When I briefly met him he certainly didn’t look as if he had thrown his clothes on. He was dressed in a tweed suit and everything about him was perfect, immaculate to the extent that I didn’t want to shake his hand too vigorously in case I disturbed his personage. He was very, very stylish and either he had put considerable thought into his outfit, or he had an extensive wardrobe of clothing of such impeccable taste that it all automatically looked good together.
'When Woof Met Bruce And Chens' might make for an absorbing semi-documentary. We could cast a few of our current posters in cameo roles. Kingers could frown and shake his head whilst drinking IPA and Spendthrift could reassure Chens that giving all his money to the nearest homeless person would guarantee him a place in the Ivy Hall Of Fame. Oh no, come to think of it, Chens wouldn't play ball - JFM sits on the right hand of the Ivy god already...
Seriously, are Boyers 'Ten Commandments' to be taken at face value? He doesn't, as Woof says, look as if he's thrown on his clothes but carefully selected the very best he can. And good luck to him.
Oh, and one aspect of Boyerism I do heartily approve of is the way it pushes away - or even fails to acknowledge - any aspect of yoof culture: including, probably, the wilder shores of 'Modernism' as exemplified not only by some in and around Soho but also the ponce guyed by Frishberg and Dorough, who would have ditched Bird for Dylan at a moment's notice.
Weller dwellers take note. Bruce has his beady eye on you and your Christmas jumpers.
I would like the full Hollywood cinema version with me played by Vin Diesel and Chens by Benedict Cumberbach, Boyer - maybe Anthony Hopkins.
'Woof's Big Day Out in New York' - only problem is it would be more of a trailer than a feature length film as Woof was rapidly given the Bum's Rush by Team America. The grey flannelled slaphead (Boyer not Woof) was off in a flash, then Chinny Chens got all skittish and sprinted off down Fifth Avenue in his Polo coat and pipe, leaving Woof scratching his head Stan Laurel style. Woof was there in Peacemaker mode to forge a new Transatlantic Entente Cordiale in the wake of the Chens-Frosty tensions that were threatening to shatter the Ivy Peace. Back at Heathrow Woof descended the steps of his Virgin Atlantic Jumbo waving his Brooks Brothers receipts in the air "I have here a signed agreement from Chens and Bruce that we will have Ivy Peace in Our Time". But when he read the signatures closely he saw Chens had actually used his Montblanc Meisterstuck to scrawl 'Eat Shit Limey'. The Ivy Wars were back on...
I'd pay to see that.
I fear though that AFS may have used a fair amount of artistic license for my part. My total life's charitable givings being maybe £4 odd.
There's not a lot to play with after my existing financial commitments to TkMaxx and Tesco's alcohol and snacks aisle
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My wife is already full of doom and gloom about the approaching winter (I kid you not), putting me in mind of Mrs. Auberon Waugh who, according to Bron, would sometimes embark on an economy drive, cutting down on four-packs of baked beans and jars of Marmite.
I usually eschew podcasts in favour of Radio4, but the Bruce Boyer one was good, particularly the campus clothing episodes https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/unbuttoned-g-bruce-boyers-life-in-clothes/id1460392205 Fun tales of being sneered at by fellow campus Marxists for wearing flannel suits.
That’s an excellent illustration of the Chens encounter 2RS!
But I think with sufficient thought and artistic licence the plot could be expanded into a full length blockbuster. The audience would really need to understand the background to the UK/US schism. Opening sequences could include 2RS (Paul McGann) fresh in from the ‘pewl’, reclining in BD Baggies boxers in his Richmond flat, the early morning light filters through his net curtains as he gazes up at the picture he keeps on his wall of JS in his South of France holiday clothes, ‘will I ever be as sussed as that’ he thinks and sighs, ‘Yankees, overpaid, over here and wearing our Weejuns, what do they know about Northern Soul’, but it’s time to go to work. At the shop it’s a quiet Wednesday, a gentle drizzle is falling on Hill Rise. 2RS notices that a giant diorama of old Frith Street has been pasted on the inside of the shop window giving the impression that 1960s Soho is outside. Charlie Parker burbles away in the background. Suddenly in bursts JFM (Hugh E Grant) and exclaims ‘Sorry I’m late… Christ it’s like the bloody grave out there, anyone fancy a sharpener?’ He is taken aback as he is struck by a well aimed vegetable slice launched by Strachan (Tom Hardy) who had been expertly folding Troy Guild shirts in the back, with one hand whilst rubbing Innes No3 compost into his raincoat with the other. Startled 2RS looks up from his copy of the Morning Star……Cut to sunny California where Chens is hanging ten in a pipeline on Malibu. The wave subsides and he slides majestically up the shoreline, he surveys the scene through his Maui Jim shades and spots a man wearing Nantucket Reds and and a batik overcoat strolling hand in hand on the beach with Muffy (Candice Bergen). Despite the searing heat she is wearing chinos and a roll neck Irish sweater. Chens falls off his surfboard as he is struck by a vision of collegiate Ivy Style, an online meeting place where people could give vent to their dodgy right wing views under the guise of talking about clothes ….. this was how he could expunge his guilt at not going to Cornell ….
Very nice Woof - made me chuckle. And how the hell did you know about my JS portrait on the wall?! Paul McGann... thanks for that - too kind, these days it's more Jim Broadbent. Good to see you incorporating into your narrative the delectable but slightly mad old preppy lady Muffy, the Ivy MILF (PILF..?) we'd all like to get close to. That hair, the clear skin, the perfect teeth, the guernsey sweaters. One can fantasize that her Anglophilia extends to her taste for a bit of British rough. She can Phil my Anglo whenever she likes... phwooar!
I thought for years that it was the Muffy who went around slaying vampires. Now I see how wrong I was. In fact, she looks not unlike my well-bred but rather vapid GP, about whom I once nursed some vague (well, not all that vague) erotic thoughts. Quite unlike the females one tends to encounter in my part of perfidious Albion, where drinking too much local ale has made them all look like extras in 'On The Waterfront'.
The name Muffy was enough on its own to arouse my curiosity. She certainly defies age well and seems to exude purity and wholesomeness. Lately she seems to be far more sparing with the pictures of herself on her blog. But there are some on her latest post, normally you have to wade through page after page of photos of twee New England villages, Volvos and Labradors to get to any of her.
I suspect Muff perhaps does not have the same interesting connotations in the leafier parts of New England that it does for males of a certain age in the UK. Muffy certainly makes her sound nicely alluring.
I was also much taken with one hilaryhenners, who sold me a Blossom Dearie CD on Ebay earlier in the week. The accompanying photograph is of a dish. Quite possibly, of course, it's just something for promotional purposes - but it's pleasant to gaze on over coffee.
Boyer looks 'affluent', i.e. as if he can spare ten cents for a cup of coffee. Muffy just looks stern, smug, unapproachable and simultaneously desirable.
Is there any truth to the rumour that, in the brief(s) time they were together, Woof and BB (no, not that one, the other) managed to exchange undershorts? Woof always signs his (and charges an appropriate fee). A free laundry ticket comes with them. Sometimes - not often - they are auctioned for charity. Having once contained the secret policeman's balls they are of much interest to certain visiting diplomats and their coteries.
Muff(y) Diving of off the coast of Maine? Not for me. Now I'm thinking rescuing Lobsters. Derek and Clive and Jayne Mansfield.
I do like her dress style though. And I love that part of America.
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Muffy would be more than welcome round at my gaff if a. there was no football on telly and b. the missus was out for the night. There are only two things occupying the mind of the English male: his team doing the double and shooting his load. In that order.
https://www.muffdivingclub.ie/
Drove past this wee town in Donegal. Malin Head is unimpressive with caravans to spoil the view. Inishowen peninsula is better.
I noted that name elsewhere and wondered if it was some kind of Irish joke as in 'Did you hear about the Irishman who thought muffin the mule was a sexual offence?'
I checked out the Muff Diving club and they sell a T shirt that might be worth considering
Boyer studied English Literature in Moravian. Gosh. I only studied English Literature in English for my O-Level: Keats, Wordsworth, Hopkins, Noyes, Dickens, Trollope, Burns (token Scot), Coleridge et al. Then American Literature in English: Melville, James, Hawthorne, Whitman, Eliot, Pound et al.
Bruce certainly has had an extraordinary career. Is Moravian 'Czech' or 'Slovakian'?
I was having a quick squint earlier at what BB has to say about the traditional Tattersall. I was a little underwhelmed. This is where we need a super-duper analyst like Frosty to either bang the drum or piss on the firework display (such as it is). We've been told, elsewhere, that the look is 'ageing'. Part of me agrees with that, particularly as I sometimes see old buffers wearing cheap shirts with their vests visible. But then I think of the Andover Shop and Mercer button-down versions and am seduced once again. Can they truly be, in this day and age, made to look slightly 'subversive'?