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#126 2022-06-04 01:30:23

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Took an early price on ‘Tuesday’ to win The Oaks at my local William Hill. 17/2 v the eventual 13/2. Great race. Photo finish. No other bets. Not that crowded for a Bank Holiday. The funfair was much smaller and the market on The Hill too.

A chap who got on the bus at my stop left his wallet on the seat. So I saved his day by returning it.

Wandered down to The Amato after the race to see the gypsy forecast for The Derby which gets written overnight. Walk of Stars this year. A decent price but an unpredictable horse. Gypsy tips used to be better than newspaper tipsters but no so much in recent years. Probably worth a punt though. Early price William Hill again.

The Amato used to be a pub with a nice garden and a decent pint of Young’s. Now a gastro pub and closed on the day.

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#127 2022-06-04 03:06:40

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A regrettable trend Kingstonian.

I spent some time along the Thames in Oxfordshire recently and virtually every village pub I came across had been subjected to the gastro treatment. Gutted and refurbished to suit the restaurant business, stripped off all character and originality. Not really interested in the customer who just wants a pint and maybe a sandwich and generally closed in the daytime. Country pubs cannot survive by beer alone it seems.

My impression is that people are falling out of love with the whole thing of eating out, due to indifferent quality and service. Plus many would now rather order it on their phone and have it delivered by one of those fellas on scooters. So it won’t be long before there’s a thinning out of these gastro pubs too.


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#128 2022-06-04 03:22:30

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There is a bigger profit margin on food as opposed to drink.

I had a small curry at Spoons yesterday with a Leffe. Just over £7. The beer was over £4 if not included in the meal deal.

That said, I quite fancied trying the 2 Michelin * Kerridge pub The Hand and Flowers in Marlow, but his set lunch price shot up after covid lockdown. We came out of the British Legion and saw Ricky Gervais and his wife in the window of a different pub.


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#129 2022-06-04 03:44:36

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There is an over abundance of restaurants at every level and the whole eating out thing has been done to death. All too often you are eating something that was pre-prepared on some industrial estate and shipped in on a chiller truck, to be reheated and served up with a few chopped herbs and great ceremony. Unexceptional, a couple of days later you’re often hard pushed to remember what you had and often as not there is some glitch with the service, the waiter forgets you or brings out the wrong order. After which you are lumped with a sizeable bill. Eating out was once a treat for special occasions, now its run of the mill. We’ve cut back on it in favour of going out on those occasions and paying a bit more.


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#130 2022-06-04 04:50:52

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I read an interesting book a few years ago about eating out in England.  Poor or at best indifferent food served 'more in anger than sorrow'. 
The book was published in 1928. 
Then, the Journals of Viscount Torrington or the non-fiction musings of Dickens.  Difficult to find anything edible.  The main character and his lady friend in Orwell's 'Coming Up For Air': treated with disdain by a head waiter. 
Up here, years ago, in an Italian 'trattoria': 'Can you please leave the herbs off the pizza'?  (My elder daughter, then a fussy eater).  'Oh no.  You see, it comes like that'. 
Yet TRS and I once lunched very nicely in an Italian place a short walk from Chiltern Street, and a place near us, 'Basilia', is tip-top.  Triple-decker sandwiches, some of the best coffee I've ever drunk, excellent service.
Of course, a change of ownership and everything changes.

 

#131 2022-06-04 04:56:36

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Something called 'Graze' opened near us years ago.  Some female estate agent, giving our house the once-over, was rubbing her hands with excitement, as if hordes of people were about to start buying properties here just so they could eat pan-fried lambs bollocks with haloumi or whatever.  The place was said to be mediocre at best and closed within a year. 
Compare the situation here with France or Italy - or near Gerona in Catalonia - where a decent meal can be obtained easily and often cheaply.

 

#132 2022-06-04 05:14:41

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Were out on a cycle ride and called into an Italian deli on the roadside at Walton on Thames, where they serve great coffee and paninis. The proprietor recommended a pizzeria place in Staines where he said the pizzas were on a par with anything he had tasted in Italy. So we tried it a few weeks later and, sure enough the pizzas were superb. The service was poor though as they were preoccupied  with scooter fellas coming in to pick up delivery orders.

We also have a Korean restaurant here that is said to be the best in the UK, so good that the diplomats from the N Korean embassy make trips out from their embassy on the North Circular to eat there. I haven’t tried it myself but apparently their meatballs are the dogs bollocks..
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#133 2022-06-04 05:16:35

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Postwar eating out became entertainment for the general public. Different cuisines etc.

My parents never went in for that. They had a simple diet, a suspicion of restaurant hygiene and no inclination to be patronised by snooty waiters.

Meat and veg most days. Fish on Friday. Eating out preference, which was never indulged, was for a nice fish and chip shop. My father thought chips were for the Cockney, whereas us kids ate chips at every opportunity in seaside holidays. My mother was always asking for diplomatic excuses to avoid the offer of a meal from our local Greek restaurant around the corner and also from the Chinese who she met at Mass. A compromise of sorts was dinner dances at the Mayo Association. Traditional food with your fellow countrymen and no snooty staff.

It took me a long time to eat Indian food. Chinese seemed a better bet initially.

Takeaway deliveries is something I don’t understand stand  at all. People even get McDonalds delivered. How lazy is that?

Reading American crime fiction I am often struck by the amount of crap food they seem to eat and how eating seems to be an unfortunate disruption to what they are doing We seem to be going the same way.


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#134 2022-06-04 05:20:07

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I still recall fondly the first pizza I ever ate: at a seaside town in Liguria, 1971. 
There was once a very good Italian on Camden Parkway.  Sometimes, when visiting London with family, we would meet up there after I'd been to pay my respects to Lord Johnny at Russell Street and they'd visited the zoo or theatre.  Daft English people in, though, demanding mint sauce with lamb. 
Turkish food is my current favourite but service is sometimes pretty bad.

 

#135 2022-06-04 05:22:24

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New Malden is Korea central in Europe. They are very decent types. The local Methodist church has a huge Korean congregation and services in Korean. Some good restaurants in New Malden including inexpensive buffets where you can try a bit of everything. Cooking the stuff at your table is quite entertaining too. Spoons in New Malden is often patronised by Koreans ‘going for an English’. They memorably served soju as special once.


"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#136 2022-06-04 05:26:06

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My working class upbringing was a tad different to that of my wife.  My mother liked to experiment with crap like 'Vesta' Chow Mein (which I adored), whilst my late mother-in-law (feeding seven) ventured as far as serving up spaghetti with tomato sauce but served roast spuds with it.  She did a wonderful retro 50s-style salad on Sunday afternoon until the very end: even down to the jar of salad cream. 
Good food in supermarkets nowadays, though, if you can bear to enter them.  Lidi sometimes do a 'French week'.

 

#137 2022-06-04 05:29:45

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My parents, thank heaven, weren't too bad when abroad and dealing with Johnny Foreigner.  Even now, though, one hears of English tourists wandering the humid passageways of Venice searching for 'a nice cuppa' when Skegness is not too far away: battered cod, chips cooked in dripping, mushy peas, pot of tea for two, perhaps something with jam and custard.

 

#138 2022-06-04 05:35:24

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My elder daughter, during her first marriage, would think nothing of spending £80 on a meal for two - without wine.  This would be ten or so years back, in a pleasant but insignificant town near Scunthorpe.  Now, on her second marriage, she talks of nothing but 'economizing' whilst complaining that there's nothing decent to eat in the house.  Eating out for them is a thing of the past. 
But the English are quite capable of fucking up beans on toast.  And don't get me started on scrambled eggs.  I insist on preparing them for myself.

 

#139 2022-06-04 05:41:35

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I once ate a doner kebab in this country when I was sober and I couldn’t finish it. However when obtained on the street in Istanbul it’s a delight.


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#140 2022-06-04 05:48:42

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Lidl have a different cuisine most weeks. Post Brexit I avoid French. Stilton instead of Camembert. Will happily eat Spanish or Portuguese. Lidl do a good offer on frozen sardines and they have those custard tarts, if that is your sort of thing.

New World wine has a new benchmark price. You can get very nice merlot etc for under £3 now! I don’t drink a lot of wine. A third of a bottle with a meal maybe.


"Florid, smug, middle-aged golf club bore in this country I'd say. Propping up the 19th hole in deepest Surrey bemoaning the perils of immigration."

 

#141 2022-06-04 06:01:29

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It must be the flies, Woof, that give it that extra something.

 

#142 2022-06-04 06:08:09

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Some of you will probably disapprove - as I do - of the way food is served in some of the daffier places.  'Will you be dining with us today?' is code for, If You Just Fancy A Pint Of Wallop, We'd Rather You Pissed Off Now'.  Then the rubbish comes on a slate, in a metal bucket, sometimes even in a toilet bowl.  How amusing, I hear you say.  Then there is the insane mixing of flavours (like coffee or chocolate beer). 
Avoiding French food?  Not on your life.  I only steer clear because of my rather austere diet.  I bloody love French food.  I adore it.

 

#143 2022-06-04 06:09:12

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'A pint of draught Guinness?  Oh, no, buddy, there's no call for it'.

 

#144 2022-06-04 06:26:40

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Ireland is known for being a gastronomic black hole, although in the decade plus I’ve lived here, things have started to improve. I don’t tend to eat out here often but I am a fan of the two local farmers markets, one of which I visit on a weekly basis. We are fortunate enough too to live in what is possibly the most foody county, with an annual food festival in my local town - complete with enormous 100+ stalls food market, where producers arrive from every corner of the isle, I’ve had some lovely stuff from that market and am looking forward to attending next weekend when it makes its return after a two-year absence. Eating out now is pretty well reserved for holidays abroad or infrequent visits to Dublin & Cork, both of which have some half way reasonable eateries, although we probably have a chinese takeaway once every three weeks or so.

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#145 2022-06-04 06:35:05

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The food in Dublin was good the first time I visited, poor and overpriced the second.  Ten years seemed to have made quite a difference.  We had a very basic lunch at Trinity the second time.  It pissed it down the entire week, too.  I rather enjoyed the village we stayed in, which had a pretty decent Italian place.  Good coffee as I remember.  But Dublin itself - no.  I like the city, though, having long been steeped in Joyce, O'Casey, Behan, O'Connor, Beckett et al.

 

#146 2022-06-04 06:37:29

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i’ve not been to Dublin central in four years I think, before that it was probably two years. Does little for me as a city and realistically it takes me a extra 30-40 minutes to get to London, including waiting at the airport.

 

#147 2022-06-04 06:40:32

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Good Georgian architecture still, with justly celebrated interior plasterwork.  I felt as much excitement on my first visit in 1995 as my first to London in 1967.

 

#148 2022-06-04 06:49:42

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Lidls and Aldi can be insidious. It’s all to easy to go around thinking ‘ooh that looks nice and its so reasonable’ and shoving what ever it is in the trolley. A recent health issue caused us to review our shopping habits and it was disturbing to see how much, salt, sugar and fat are present in their processed foods. So these days we visit there for staples, also fruit and veg which are okay if you use them quickly.

All these decisions are made whilst adorned in textbook Ivy clothing by the way.

Apart from my self acknowledged fondess for beer (not excessive) my diet is fairly healthy. I’ve always had porridge for breakfast every day since I was a little kid. They say it makes you live longer … or maybe it just makes your life seem longer.


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#149 2022-06-04 07:11:30

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My local pub stopped selling food about 5 years ago. They allow you to bring food in and there are plenty of food shops nearby. At one time a couple of chefs would join us after a morning shift and bring free food in. The pubs prices are comparable with Wetherspoons and it is usually very busy. Most of the customers are local.
I have found the experience of eating out has gone downhill since the lockdown. Food quality and service has declined and prices have gone up.
Many people here even go out to eat for breakfast. I can't get my head around that one. I reckon there are people now that haven't a clue when it comes to cooking and takeaway services are booming. I was watching 'Better call Saul' on Netflix and it occured to me that Americans seem to eat out at junk food places all the time. I was at my heaviest 26 years ago when I was living in Canada. No coincidence as I also became addicted to eating shit back then. My favourite food is the Mediterranean diet based around Italian with an eye on not eating too many Carbs.


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#150 2022-06-04 07:35:27

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You haven’t got time to cook if you’re too busy watching Masterchef or its many spin offs.


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