Anyone here remember Potters Music Shop on Hill Rise, two doors up from The Ivy? Gerry Potter a nice laconic chap and his lovely wife. Old school place, very old Richmond. Gerry got on well with Ian, kindred cynics. Sold records and instruments. And there was a fancy independent women's clothes shop further up the hill called Anna. Very posh attractive owner - Ian fancied her rotten.
Remember Gerry's, bought a few Jazz albums in there. I usually went in there after a purchase or two from the Ivy Shop. In fact IS probably told me to look in there, I wouldn't have known it's existence otherwise, as my main mission was to go and buy clothes.
Apparently Potters was there in the early 60s and sold tickets for Eel Pie Island, Station Hotel etc, Richmond at that time being at the centre of the British blues/folk/R&B boom. John Simons would have been in there when they opened The Ivy Shop in 64, no doubt buying reeds for his saxophones, or some new jazz releases. Funny thought. I know John was also a regular at hip hangout L'Auberge at the end of Richmond Bridge.
Now a certain someone isn't here to carp, a bump for the legendary Mr. Strachan.
Ian Strachan A-Z Style Guide anyone?
Check out 'the basics'...
West Indian Limes (elsewhere) mentioned 'cottons'...
What I find really interesting about the whole Ivy Shop/Strachan and Russell Street thing, is that in the Eighties there must have been sufficient interest in Ivy/American clothes to sustain them.
Let's face it, rents and rates in the two locations would of been horrendous so naturally there must of been plenty of customers.
I know certain older posters say there were customers who were only interested in one specific thing and there must also have been passing, impulse sales but outside of this was there a significant group of hardcore Ivy wearers?
I always felt Russell Street was a bit more like an Americana emporium rather than having a singular focused look but as I've previously said I never knew it in it's prime.
I think there was a significant hardcore group. TRS would know the details. I'm not sure if Paddy and Jim Stone shopped there. Probably more Russell Street chaps (although they were not jazz fans: soul to begin with, then opera. Pad and I had a couple of interesting online chats about Lucia Popp).
After the demise of the Ivy Shop Windsor, I was a frequent visitor to Richmond.
But as the 80's turned into the 90's hard core US made clothing was becoming scarce, and towards the end the Ivy Shop Richmond was a shadow of it's former self. This is one of the reasons Ian of Harrington Guildford (who incidentally helped out Strach) diversified into RL, Gant etc. Another reason for it's closure was footfall dropped and also the greedy landlord upped the rent significantly.
Strangely after it's closure it remained empty for some time, so lost revenue for the landlord. I think he ended up using it as his office.
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And now? Hardcore? It's difficult to be certain. But I'm convinced that the majority of men wearing button-down shirts, loafers, flat-fronted chinos etc. never bother with any kind of forum.
Hardcore?
Yeah don't know what I was thinking, lets say Ivy staples.
Re Alvey's points - yes, certainly in London there was a lot of interest in classic Americana and J.Simons did very well indeed. In Richmond it was tougher, but there was a lot of money around. And rents were much lower. Landlords were much less greedy. Covent Garden, post-redevelopment, only really opened up in about 1980, and there was less greed. Thatcher had not yet had enough time to erode the British soul. By the time John closed 28 years later the culture had changed and it was impossible for a sole trader to survive in an area like Covent Garden. I think we have all forgotten how much Britain has changed in the last 40 years. It used to be a much kinder, less competitive and cut-throat society.
In his socio-economic analysis, TRS is at least partly right. I grew up in the 1960s and people did seem kinder - at least in the working class area I lived in. But you were also expected not to have - as Tim might express it - 'notions'. And I had 'notions'. I read books. My parents had 'notions'. They bought their first VW in 1964 and we went on holiday to Italy in 1971. Those without 'notions' made do with a week at Skegness or, more often than not, bugger all.
My late mother-in-law found it odd that I wanted to drink a demitasse. 'Notions' again, you see.
But her husband did support Liverpool FC so what could one expect?
I did not like Margaret Thatcher.
I wonder to whom the lovely Jane Ireland, with whom I frequently stayed when visiting London between 1984 and 1990(ish), is now selling her ties? She was once a fixture (and a very attractive one) at Covent Garden.
Well Thatcher did nothing about 'notions'. The expansion of the minds of the urban working class was not a priority in her grand plan. I certainly had notions and had to leave Liverpool to give them full expression, so I know what you're saying. I never saw a beggar on the streets when I was growing up, not one. I saw my first beggar in Spain on a school trip in 1982 and was horrified. By the late 80s London was filling up with destitution and homelessness. Anyone who votes Tory is at best misguided, at worst callous. Alistair Campbell on Question Time last night! Superb! Sorry, I digress. Let's Talk Ivy! I'm not sure how many socialists shopped at J.Simons. Not too many I'd speculate. My wing of the Labour Party runs on a manifesto pledge of 'Weejuns For All !' but I'm not sure how popular a policy that will be...
You didn't see beggars. You saw old chaps (and some women) who drank. I first saw people begging in Manchester (1981-2). Always women, Irish, often with children. Plenty to be seen in cities like Barcelona - but with a religious bent. Also Rome.
In the UK, now, priority should be given to getting a roof over the head of everyone who needs one.
But, quite frankly, I have no more time for Campbell than Johnson, Saab (sorry, Raab) or Ms.Sturgeon.
Not my kind of people. Viva Bobby Short.
Weejuns for all? How about Alden LHS for all? A surefire vote-winner.
Seen in Gerona, summer 2012, just before a major pro-Catalan demonstration (I still have one of their flags), a poster. Hammer And Sickle, Clenched fist. Marxista! Trotskyista! Anti-capitalista! (I quote from hazy memory).
Beneath, in smaller script, 'Follow Us On Facebook And Twitter'.
Made my day.
Just a thought. TRS might do well to revisit Orwell's 'Down And Out In Paris And London'. It's largely balls of course but I suppose it has a grain of truth in it. Orwell amused himself for half a day by begging in (I'd guess) the West End.
Mr.Roberts was probably still short-changing his customers in Grantham at the time.
My socialist state would not sanction the mass slaughter of horses to shod the nation. Instead, in a profound gesture of internationalism, we would import all living former members of staff from the old Bass factory in Wilton, Maine, pay them all a generous salary, and use their specialist expertise to mass produce the old school proper Weejun for the people. It could be marketed as 'The Worker's Clog'. Just a thought...
There is a loafer said to be made from the flesh of dead gerbils. They only go up to a Size 5. Weller already has plans to market them in the run-up to Christmas. I am on a percentage for supplying the gerbils.
'Socialist state...' isn't that what we experienced during the Covid period? Only buffing my loafers kept me sane... And not doing what that prick Hancock kept telling me to do... 'This is not a request, it's an instruction...' Oh, how we laughed.