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#1 2022-04-09 13:33:49

AlveySinger
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AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

I've always liked Vetra jackets since I first came across them in John Simons.

I'm not on about their chore jackets although last year I did buy a curly wurly. It's the blazers I love. Over the years I've purchased linen, cotton and cord versions.

They sit on the casual spectrum but work well with jeans and chino's

The only problem is their lack of a vent. I prefer something a bit more finished.

The good news is John Simons now has stock of especially made linen Vetra  blazers with a centre vent.

Only blue and a natural colour are currently available.

I really hope this is a success and they continue the trend into the Winter stock.

The only problem is now my older jackets feel slightly dated.

 

#2 2022-04-09 14:41:59

woofboxer
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

I had heard this was on the way, but was wondering when. This could fill a hole that was left when J Keydge shut down, I always loved their jackets although they shifted to Chinese production towards the end.  Some of The JS jackets are excellent but the short production runs mean that they tend to sell out before the several months deliberation time that I now require.


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#3 2022-04-09 15:36:55

AlveySinger
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

Woof

That's the same issue I have.

Part of the fun of loving clothes is in thinking about how you'll integrate new things into your wardrobe.

When you have a set style, such as this Ivy thing of ours, it's slightly harder because there aren't lots of vendors. You are almost forced to buy quickly just in case something doesn't come along again/quickly.

I am genuinely glad that John Simons is moving merchandise but I also think there is fine balance between holding sufficient stock and marketing to create demand.
To sell out of a size of linen suit in April illustrates the point.

The guys have done a first class job of building awareness, continuously developing great designs and selling online. They have also managed to slightly diversify their clientele.
They now need to work through the all important stock level issue. Not easy as you don't want to be left with too much stock at sale time.

I think this is the challenge of being both a retailer and having your own brand.

With the dollar exchange rate so poor at the moment I can't see a major return to USA sourced merchandise on the horizon either.

 

#4 2022-04-10 03:59:28

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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

This is good news. I don’t own any Vetra jackets, but have a lot very similar. No lining, padding or structure. Cotton or linen so spring/summer wear. I like them a lot.

They pop up fairly regularly on the high street. Of course it helps that I can suspend insistence on country of origin or hitting every detail. For me it’s a trade off. If the fit’s good I don’t worry too much if there’s four cuff buttons - or even none. Most of mine have a single vent, but there’s one or two with side or no vent. These days I can’t get too worked up or exited about ‘correct’ clothing detail to the ‘nth degree. It seems to me even JS can overlook minor detail at times?

I have no need at all for the smartest or trad end of Ivy so as Alvey says, they do a good job elevating jeans and chinos. A polo or madras shirt. Desert boots or loafers.

It’d be good if Vetra did a moleskin one for colder weather. Apart from ‘technical’ stuff, I’ve always found moleskin to be about the warmest fabric there is.

 

#5 2022-04-13 02:13:14

woofboxer
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

I see they've ‘dropped’ on the JS website. They look good but possibly a bit on the short side, depending on taste?


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#6 2022-04-13 07:31:05

Staxfan
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

Has anyone seen these jackets in the flesh ? I see the patch left breast pocket, but is that a 2nd sort of breast pocket on the right ? Do we know if there are any other colours coming along ? The vent is a big improvement,
Woof - the jackets may work for those of us on the short side,

 

#7 2022-04-13 07:50:18

Tim
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

@Stax I'll hazard a guess and say what you're seeing is the stitching of an inside pocket.

 

#8 2022-04-13 15:05:04

AlveySinger
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

Staxfan,
The inside pocket stitch line is always visible on the Vetra exterior.
It's part of their design style.

 

#9 2022-04-14 00:50:38

AFS
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

I can no more get excited by Vetra than I could/can by Paraboot or Weston. 
Keydge, however, once did a very nice, very lightweight number with patch pockets.  Ideal summer wear.
Johnny Simons fitted me for one at Russell Street many moons ago and told me I looked just like a modern jazz musician.
Honey-tongued Mr. Simons.

 

#10 2022-04-14 01:27:50

Staxfan
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

Thanks Guys,

 

#11 2022-04-23 15:49:43

woofboxer
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

Yes the new Vetra jackets are definitely an improvement due to the rear single vent, quite a boxy fit but not as short as I feared. I tried on the stone coloured linen jackets and trousers which form an admittedly casual suit. No problem with that as they work equally well as seperates. Very wearable and relaxed. I decided against purchasing as the jacket would have immediately made one of my J Keydge jackets redundant and because I’m already well provisioned with lightweight summer suits.


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#12 2022-04-24 02:34:19

RobbieB
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

Thanks Woof for the info on the linen suits. Sounds like just what I'm looking for. I don't really need a Vetra  jacket for similar reasons to yourself


'I am a closet optimist' Leonard Cohen.

 

#13 2022-04-24 05:58:51

Staxfan
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

Woof , if you’re tempted by the Vetra I’ll volunteer to relieve you of a Keydge, just saying haha,

 

#14 2022-04-24 11:04:37

AlveySinger
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

Yes, Keydge were superb. I wish I would have bought them all. The fit, fabrics and Ivy correct details were all spot-on.

I had conversation with someone who was making for Keydge last year when I purchased a seersucker jacket and my initial understanding was they were going to make some other jackets.

(In truth my wife had the conversation as she's a fluent in French)

Sadly nothing has materialised.

I like the fabric on the new Vetra a lot. Hence buying it. I'm not a fan of their trouser fastening so wouldn't bother with it as a suit. 

The other worthy contender is the John Simons own make. Truth be told I find these somewhat inconsistent. I have a navy wool hopsack and navy seersucker. The fit is great. I also have cord and moleskin versions. The cord is slightly too large and the moleskin too tight across the shoulders. Very strange.

 

#15 2022-04-25 01:44:51

Kingston1an
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

I have a Keydge Ivy jacket with patch pockets in beige.

It’s an aging look.

Forget the cut, it still reminds me of my old history master who used to wear a beige cotton jacket in Summer.

I also have a J Press, beige, lined, cotton jacket that I never wear. At least the Keydge wears cool in hot weather.


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#16 2022-04-26 08:42:28

AFS
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

It's absolutely certain, is it, that Vetra clothing is manufactured by girls with weak eyesight in the northern suburbs of Paris and not in some Chinese sweatshop?  Woofboxer was awfully amused when I gave away my Keydge slack jackets but I'd raised a point, an ethical point, and I stuck to it.

 

#17 2022-04-26 10:10:50

RobbieB
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

My navy wool Keydge jacket I once adored. But no more. The wool has bobbled, it has become too stretched and slouchy for my liking and although I initially thought it was made in France I now believe not. No label inside telling where it was made gives the game away. Mine has elbow patches on the sleeves so definitely school teacher winter look.


'I am a closet optimist' Leonard Cohen.

 

#18 2022-04-26 11:02:47

AFS
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

Frankly, with Keydge, I felt as if I'd had - just a little bit - the wool pulled over my eyes.  Not by John Simons or anyone at Russell Street but by myself.  And those jackets weren't exactly Uniqlo prices, now, were they?  I'd never consider another.

 

#19 2022-04-27 09:54:27

AlveySinger
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

AFS,

I will have to check my latest jacket but I'm sure Vetra is still made in France. Not sure about eyesight of workers or the location of the factory I'm afraid.

I guess the reason I loved Keydge so much was there wasn't anything comparable on the market. Yes Ralph and Brooks had similar unstructured garments but they often lacked all the Ivy correct details.

Due to the nature of the construction Keydge probably doesn't stand up to day-in /day-out wear.

 

#20 2022-04-27 10:52:43

AFS
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

A few Keydge jackets are being offered on Ebay.  Vetra, too.  None of this is for me.  I'm sticking - wherever I can - to USA-made Ralph Lauren.

 

#21 2022-07-14 04:33:16

AFS
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

What a difference a former next-door neighbour makes...
I saw the little, pot-bellied, money-grubbing bastard wearing RL recently...  Doubtless Chinese shite...
Anyway...  ah ha...  a Vetra linen jacket on Ebay has captured my interest...  Hot weather, you see, and I'm wearing linen shirts...

 

#22 2022-07-14 04:36:42

AFS
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

Theme - amongst other things - 'Dad'.  'Dad'?  For Vetra?  The thick sweater I bought recently and tucked away to be worn with my padded waxed jacket (not Barbour, oh no) come November is 'Dad'.

 

#23 2022-07-29 12:08:18

Staxfan
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

Not Vetra but Keydge - a JK cotton navy blazer , size 50, came up on Maarkt yesterday @ £120, I thought it’s never going to go at that price, this morning it was gone, if one comes along in beige/khaki in a 50 I’ll need to be quick off the mark,

 

#24 2022-07-29 12:13:35

RobbieB
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

Stax- I think some of the prices on Marrkt are on the high side. If it's new/old stock then fair enough but some of the items are clearly worn and are overpriced.


'I am a closet optimist' Leonard Cohen.

 

#25 2022-07-29 12:43:44

Staxfan
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Re: AND VETRA JUST GOT BETTER

I agree Robbie, I think they should be about 30-40 % of the RRP, but JK jackets are like hens teeth.....

 

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