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#1 2008-01-15 21:28:49

AQG
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The Whole Bespoke Thing

I'm inspired by JamesT's post on the Awesome Post of the Day thread about getting it with bespoke.  I don't have any bespoke stuff.  MTM is as high as I've gone on the sartorial totem pole.  One of these days, maybe I'll hit it, maybe not.  If I do, the lesson seems to be that it shouldn't be good.  It should be bloody good.  Yet, platonist perfection is not to be expected.  Why should it?  After all, I've not got anything near Plato's ideal notion of the body, so why should someone be instantly able to throw a perfect suit together for it?  Even the bloody good level will take a bit of trial and error to get there.  The first suit or so won' t hit it, but a good tailor will get you there shortly after.  Is this the way of it or is there just too much Scotch coursing through my veins?

 

#2 2008-01-16 04:51:19

Horace
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Re: The Whole Bespoke Thing

If you can get over to Hong Kong, you might be able to "experiment" at a less costly price as well.  If such is a concern.  Though those deals are fewer and far between there now.  But maybe they've moved labor to the mainland to compensate.

For me, my "errors" in bespoke were less of knowing what I wanted.  I never did say:  "copy Brooks."  I had an idea of more English-type suits.  So it took me a few before I knew what I wanted, exactly.  I didn't know many guys wearing English-style, and I hadn't really "codified" in my own mind what I wanted, so I'd change details from one suit to another.  These days, I'll go RTW or MTM.  Maybe more the latter because the former no longer has those elements of classic American style that I want, necessarily.

Even when I went to Jermyn St. I was unclear.  I didn't want total English style, but neither did I want American.  I was looking for a hybrid.  At the time, the dollar was strong so I wasn't thinking as much about perfection.  The stakes weren't as high.

I'm not as interested in travelling tailors as much as being in the place where I can pop in and get changes done.  Hell, even my Brooks MTM stuff has been fucked up a bit, and while I don't mind, it's frustrating slightly.   I'd rather not go through that and have to ship back to England.

Next time I'm in England for a spell, I think I'll hit New & Lingwood or one of the others, for a half-dozen good shirts in a moderate cut and style.  I wish I'd tried Charvet as I fucked off in Paris for months without thinking of it.  But I was to busy enjoying my family and friends to think of clothes save the sock wall at Bon Marche.


""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#3 2008-01-16 06:36:24

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: The Whole Bespoke Thing

I stood in front of the wall of socks this morning & thought of you.

I remain a Burlington Boy...

 

#4 2008-01-16 08:40:06

Tony Ventresca
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Re: The Whole Bespoke Thing

Bespoke seems like a very expensive way to experiment. I can think of similarly easy but more fun ways to lose money.

 

#5 2008-01-16 08:52:16

Film Noir Buff
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Re: The Whole Bespoke Thing

It's hard to pin point why anyone gets custom clothes; Daddy got them- I have money- I want to be a gentleman- I love clothes. It's easier to spot people who appreciate them. They are few and far between. Thus, if you are asking what the point is, it is not for you.


If it is well designed, I think OTR and MTM are perfectly good alternatives. Suits should enhance you and follow the lines of the body (and disguise glaring defects in the body) but these are guidelines, not matters to obsess over.

 

#6 2008-01-16 08:59:37

Tony Ventresca
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#7 2008-01-16 09:06:24

Marc Grayson
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Re: The Whole Bespoke Thing

Properly made bespoke clothes, in and of themselves, can be appreciated and enjoyed as works of art, but more practically, they enhance the appearance of the wearer, and they are also very comfortable.  As someone who naturally gravitates to well-worn jeans and flannel shirts for their comfort factor, I also appreciate being comfortable wearing "nice" clothes that fit so well that I don't even feel I'm wearing them.


"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#8 2008-01-16 09:16:34

iammatt
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#9 2008-01-16 09:17:55

Horace
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Re: The Whole Bespoke Thing


""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#10 2008-01-16 09:32:00

AQG
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Re: The Whole Bespoke Thing

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#11 2008-01-16 09:38:49

Marc Grayson
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Re: The Whole Bespoke Thing


"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#12 2008-01-16 10:00:50

Tony Ventresca
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#13 2008-01-16 10:52:06

Marc Grayson
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Re: The Whole Bespoke Thing


"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#14 2008-01-16 12:46:03

eg
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#15 2008-01-16 13:11:12

Marc Grayson
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Re: The Whole Bespoke Thing


"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#16 2008-01-16 16:38:11

Marc Grayson
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Re: The Whole Bespoke Thing

Interesting insights on custom clothes from women, also applicable to men...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C07EED6113EF935A15753C1A961958260


"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#17 2008-01-16 18:57:38

captainpreppy
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Re: The Whole Bespoke Thing

I turned toward "bargain bespoke" (W.W. Chan) in my case largely because I couldn't find RTW suits and jackets that fit me well anymore. The lapels popped on just about everything. I have been informed that this is because my chest is disproportionately deep in comparison to the width of my shoulders. I don't know why this is. Garments I purchased more than six years ago are still a good fit.

I do have some RTW garments I consider very satisfactory. My favorite RTW jacket would be a Nordstrom house-brand in a 95-5 wool-cashmere blend that's an Italian-woven "tweed." (Can one call a fabric that doesn't come from the British Isles a "tweed," I wonder?) It cost me $300, and, yes, it's fused. Nonetheless, it is a very handsome, good-fitting garment. If it is not quite as nice as my Chans, the difference is not great, and it was one-third the price. If could routinely and customarily get garments this appealing at a fraction of Chan's prices, which in turn are slightly less than half what the only custom tailor of note in my city charges for identical garments, then I doubt if would feel the need to spend more. I am quite satisfied with RTW trousers and shirts at comparatively low prices, in fact, usually at extremely low prices. All but two of my RTW jackets, however, I mostly use for bumming around the house and neighborhood--nothing more dressy than a run to the local market.

However, aside from issues of fit--and well done bespoke is extremely comfortable--it becomes highly addictive--the endless choices in fabrics, your control over the styling, etc., all go to confirm the maxim" "Once you go bespoke, you can never go back." Even at fairly large clothing emporium, one will usually only find a fairly paltry assortment of suits and jackets in his size, and the fabrics used in many of those will be quite unappealing.

 

#18 2008-01-16 19:07:12

Coolidge
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#19 2008-01-16 20:10:20

The_Shooman
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Re: The Whole Bespoke Thing

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#20 2008-01-17 09:32:30

yachtie
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Re: The Whole Bespoke Thing

The thing that drove me to bespoke was simply that I couldn't get the cut or style ( and definitely not the cloths) that I liked in RTW and the MTM's I got generally didn't fit or weren't done the way I liked. Yes , I'm definitely still learning ( still tend to get my jackets on the long side etc) but it's what I like and since I'm the one one wearing it, I dion't see much of a problem. I'ts not a magic bullet, but I have to admit that I like to wear my bespoke stuff alot better than my MTM or RTW suits and the more I wear bespoke suits the more I notice, and am bothered by, the deficiencies in my other tailored clothing.

 

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