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#51 2008-04-04 17:35:37
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Re: Oxxford and Kiton aren’t all that. lt's rubbish actually.
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#52 2008-04-04 17:51:44
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not." Oscar Wilde
#53 2008-04-04 19:14:49
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Re: Oxxford and Kiton aren’t all that. lt's rubbish actually.
I have read Mark's posts for many years. I have read other posters who knew something about the best custom made clothing in the world. My ultimate conclusion is that your value for money is in ready made or made to measure built on a canvas clothing that has been the heritage of the States for over a century.
Very wealthy people can take their risk at a custom tailor. For anyone of moderate means that is a major risk. The risk was first spelled out to me in Temple Fieldings Travel guide to europe circa 1964. He said that all english tailors were overpriced and patronizing them often ended up badly. A&S was a particular target then. He had switched to the then moderately priced Brioni and Angelo in Italy. Maybe a third less at the time. Not so moderately priced now.
I suspect HK may be the better value today. They probably know they have to try a lot harder. If I had the bucks to toss around I would take the advice of FNB or Mark G. But I don't. A decent fitting tailor and America's best RTW suits remain a very good option.
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#54 2008-04-04 19:24:44
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Re: Oxxford and Kiton aren’t all that. lt's rubbish actually.
and Oxxford and Hickey Freeman are the best that we do. Though we do a lot of decent less pricier clothing. Even 30 years ago I think the states had the reputation for being a land of men who dressed well in business attire.
We have lost a heritage!
#55 2008-04-04 23:00:11
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#56 2008-04-05 00:56:24
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Re: Oxxford and Kiton aren’t all that. lt's rubbish actually.
Shooman,
Who is selling Oxxford in Australia? I have a spare $9,000.00 to spend on a suit. Do I still have enough to visit your tailor? I think you said he charges around $6,000.00
I was really hoping this was something revolutionary, but it didnt get me that excited. Your pictures prove very little actually. They are so blurry that all the stitches blur together to form big blobs (this supports your case) but I dont think it is quite accurate. Also you can't really say that the trousers or sleeves drape poorly when they appear to be wrapped around your arm in an extremely awkward way and you also appear to be hanging trousers from palm trees in your backyard. Much better if you could take pictures of the suit lying flat or better still on a person!!
Neyus.
#57 2008-04-05 05:25:20
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#58 2008-04-05 06:28:13
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Okay. Just think it would be better to demonstrate fit by showing a photo of someone actually wearing the garments.
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#59 2008-04-05 06:48:15
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Re: Oxxford and Kiton aren’t all that. lt's rubbish actually.
Hmmm, maybe I'm missing something but to my eyes the pics don't really reveal much, esp. in the way of bad workmanship. That's not to say Oxxford and Kiton don't have their shortcomings, but the pics, IMO, don't contribute to proving your argument.
"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not." Oscar Wilde
#60 2008-04-05 07:05:31
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l'll try and take better pics tommorrow. lt hugely vexes me not being about to make my point clearly. l think l have a shitty camera. Darn. 
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#61 2008-04-05 07:42:31
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#62 2008-04-05 07:58:21
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Re: Oxxford and Kiton aren’t all that. lt's rubbish actually.
Not so sure the objects of your ire are really worth getting that worked up over, but I don't scrutinize the interiors of garments to such a degree. I'm willing to cut a tailor or a large operation like Oxxford some slack in favor of big picture results, such as cut and fit. I know Oxxford boasts about the interiors of their jackets having the same excellent workmanship as the outside, which is purportedly why they do half linings (To show off the clean work), but I'm thinking it's unrealistic to expect every stitch to be in perfect alignment and every seam to be executed with artistic flair.
"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not." Oscar Wilde
#63 2008-04-05 08:07:43
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#65 2008-04-06 02:20:41
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#67 2008-04-07 01:02:05
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Correct me if I'm wrong but Oxxford has never been available in OZ. How many tailors Down Under have even seen an Oxxford garment? I call BS!
#68 2008-04-07 01:40:54
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Back with a vengeance.
#69 2008-04-07 02:12:45
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#70 2008-04-07 02:36:28
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#72 2008-04-07 05:31:27
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Shooman,
I think its time to break the silence and tell us who your tailor is? Or at least post examples of his work. I would like to see perfect machine and hand stitching.
#73 2008-04-14 06:13:50
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Shooman,
Maybe you could PM me for details of your tailor.
Neyus
#74 2008-04-14 08:08:58
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