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#101 2008-05-04 14:41:40
- Richmond Hill
- Member
- Posts: 138
Re: New England and the Trad
It is said that the USA and the UK are two countries divided by a common language. Either, either, neither, neither, potato, potato, colour, color, neighbor, neighbour etc
Perhaps, there is no one answer to the IL/Preppy/Trad issue. I think it boils dowm to the individuals prefered age and birth place combined with the actual facts and how that person perceives the issue. If I was 20 years younger and born in Japan, I could have different opinions on the subject or they might be similar.
From what I have read on this MB I see no major areas of conflict between the three groups. There are more common areas than in opposition. One big issue is recruiting newbies and who has the strongest manifesto!!!
Oh yes, by the way I do realise that there are far more imprtant things going on in the World, but this MB is a distraction.
RH
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#104 2008-05-06 23:17:19
- Craig
- New member
- Posts: 8
Re: New England and the Trad
I consider my clothing traditional American in that my suits and odd jackets are American-made and have natural shoulders, but some of them have two buttons and darts (although no drastic waist suppression). One of those is a Southwick. For me, the little or no shoulder padding is important, but I'm not a fanatic about the rest of the sack-suit purist stuff.
#105 2008-05-07 01:52:39
- Taylor McIntyre
- Son of Ivy...
- Posts: 342
Re: New England and the Trad
Very sane.
I think the natural shoulder is the make or break though (well, for me at anyrate). Other details are just stylistic choices in this style of dress. I probably dress in the 'purist' style, but its important to remember that that style isn't really any 'purer' than the other Ivy style options. You can dress like JFK or some Tweedy old buffer and still tick all the boxes for Traditional American (Ivy League) style. It is only when you narrow the style down into its later subsets like Preppy, WASP, Trad, NeoPrep, etc., do you have to concern yourself with what the rules are to any great extend - and even then those rules are largely self imposed. Pick your label & pick your rule book.
Ivy for Evryone!
Best -
J.
#106 2008-07-13 16:04:23
- shuman
- Member
- Posts: 184
Re: New England and the Trad
Rereading some old threads. For those of you who had grown up in a more minimalist, New England version of Ivy, what do you remember wearing?
Notably, with summer upon us in the States, I just cant get my mind around seersucker and madras. It all seems so loud to me. Maybe I need to take a cue from the more northeastern version of summer dress.
Seersucker, madras (some is okay) and Reds, seem not to be a gentle tug on the sleeve, but a violent slap in the face, which doesnt sit well.
Maybe I have been too brainwashed by "other influences" and must recapture my free thinking of youth.
BTW, can, and should, this be moved to the Talk Ivy board?
Last edited by shuman (2008-07-13 16:05:33)
#107 2008-07-14 00:39:20
- Taylor McIntyre
- Son of Ivy...
- Posts: 342
Re: New England and the Trad
I'll pop in a link.
You ask a good question -
Jim
#108 2008-10-19 12:01:56
- shuman
- Member
- Posts: 184
Re: New England and the Trad
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I had an epiphany. As I re-read this old thread, it comes to mind that, whatever you want to call the look, is the sum of its parts, not the parts itself. Take a jacket off a rack of any traditional mens store, it may be a classic pattern, natural or slightly padded shoulders, but its overall look of Trad/Ivy etc comes from HOW you wear said coat. As the lapel and tie widths changed, padding came and went, button-stances and lapel roll changed, it became Ivy or Trad in how one combined it with other parts of the ensemble.
If I missed this point, I apologize. Geez, I'm expounding like Russell.
Oh, and another thing: Is it just me, or does everything on AAAT seem too new. Too pressed and perfect. It doesnt seem real. Just modeling their new togs, I guess. Guess I prefer the worn in look. Seems more real world. I dunno.
Last edited by shuman (2008-10-19 12:03:35)
