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#1 2008-05-04 19:19:55

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1930s Style

1930s style

We all like to look at those Apparel Arts plates of well dressed men from the 1930s. Well, those of us that knows about them. I am referring to the old issues of Esquire magazine and the Apparel Arts catalogs from the 1930s and 1940s which were a bounty of colored (and black and white) illustrations of all the options the well dressed man could possibly dream of for every time, place and manner.

Alan Flusser wrote that the 1930s is the classic period when all the ideas on what a man should wear were agreed on and set down, and maybe that’s true. It was an elegant rich age. Of course most people were living in cardboard boxes during the Great Depression but at least the lucky ones had an amazing array of choices.

But as much as those clothes look good and as much as they promise us a portal to a more fabulous past, if a modern man were to try to wear most of those clothes he would find them uncomfortable. They would be too heavy and too stiff. The colors themselves would be ever so out of step with the colors of today.  If a man were to outfit himself cap a pie in 1930s elegance, he would look very rigid and dated.

But why is this true if the look is timeless? Why is what Flusser wrote starting to erode? Why is it if you ape the 1930s you’ll look like you’re in a Broadway revival?

I think it’s because when Flusser wrote these things he was very near the end of a time when  tailored clothes were compulsory for men. Propriety was in command and men needed to learn a set of rules someone else set down. However, for better or for worse, the almost ten years of “Casual Friday” being applied throughout the week has removed the talons of propriety which made men feel inadequate or common if they did not wear tailored clothes. Basically, the horse has left the barn.

That’s the sad part. The good part is that men are starting to realize that they don’t look good in khakis and golf shirts and now choose to wear suits and sports jackets again.

However, even though men now elect to wear tailored clothes they are in command and dictate their own needs of comfort and style. Thus the old rules no longer apply. Of course some of the physical rules of tailoring do apply and although being improved and updated;  you cannot just eliminate everything.  But true talent as a designer  is having the ability to edit what is useful with what is useless.

There’s a difference between referring to the 1930s and wearing the actual artifacts, colors styles etc… I love the old movies (The domain name might be a giveaway)but I don’t want to wear the actual clothes they wore. That is too literal and unimaginative. The sorts of fantasies Walter Mitty might have had which may be a pleasant daydream but not a look for the serious man to spend money on looking like.  Instead, I want to wear my new and modern clothes the WAY they wore theirs, with style, nonchalance, panache and daring. We refer, we salute and we admire the past…but we refresh, always-just like they did.

We are in a period of transition and I think this might be true globally. Milan, Naples, Paris, Tokyo, London and NYC are all using colors and fabrics for men’s clothes that would have been thought unacceptable a few years ago. Likewise, old standards are being relegated to the curmudgeon.

I think we’re living in a new 1930s where the lucky ones have a lot of elegant choices to mark themselves out as individuals even if most men are still dressing down.

Leaf through those alluring Apparel Arts color plates of gentlemen wearing elegant clothes. Stay up bleary eyed and wonder at those old abstract movies with their superb character actors in their natty, individualistic clothes. Wonder at the tilt of their fedoras and the spring in their spectators for they will never be reproduced. However, they will always exist to give us guidelines, if not rules, about how it used to be and how it can be better still again.

When you buy clothes, buy the updated ones which let you be comfortable in your modern life and leave the 18oz suits to stars for they are the stuff that dreams are made of.

 

#2 2008-05-04 20:39:22

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#3 2008-05-04 20:58:02

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The look eroded bit by bit. Hats go out of fashion. Peak lapels get replaced with notch, and double breasted suits become less common (at least here in the US). People start wearing suits less in their off-time, so sporty suit patterns fade away. Collar types become fewer. Climate controlled buildings and autos make heavy suits impractical. Lack of coat checks make overcoats inconvenient. Each individual element is replaced or made old-fashioned and nobody notices until someone tries wearing many at once.

 

#4 2008-05-04 21:40:30

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""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#5 2008-05-05 06:06:53

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'...We refer, we salute and we admire the past…but we refresh, always-just like they did...'

That comment struck a chord with me as well. Sometimes people need to know that paying homage to the great things from the past isn't necessarily about slavishly copying them, it's about being inspired by them, filtering out the crap and taking the good stuff and incorporating it into the new. That's how we move on, that's how we create...

FNB, we need to develop this topic a little further it's a very good one...smile


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#6 2008-05-05 07:45:32

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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#7 2008-05-05 08:23:42

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^ The SBPL is one of my very favourite cuts, it's a very rakish, masculine cut, the strong "V" accentuates the classic male torso especially with those strong lapels, you don't see it with the wimpish ones offered on RTW....Good show smile


"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

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#8 2008-05-05 08:30:40

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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#9 2008-05-05 08:44:49

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"Dressing, like painting, should have a residual stability, plus punctuation and surprise." - Richard Merkin

Souvent me Souvient

 

#10 2008-05-05 11:13:57

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FNB, I enjoyed your post.

I like your idea that a "new 1930s" is occurring where the old standards are dead but also people are realizing that "total absence of anything" won't do either.

Without elaborating, the old standards are dead in a lot of other ways--how we eat, date, drink, socialize, involve ourselves civically, and work. 

I'm hopeful (though balancing that with lawyerly cynicism) that the "new 1930s" you suggest in matters sartorial may move to other areas where the postmodern emptiness of the 90s, when it killed all standards, reft those areas of their charm, individuality, and excitement.

Sociological bullshit possibly but I appreciate what you're trying to say as I come into my professional "own."   So much emphasis is placed on conformity...at one time the grey flannel suit, now the polo and khakis, and this transcends into other areas of live.  Original takes on classic ideas are what can make a man stand out...both in how he dresses and how he lives.

Anyway, continue on...

 

#11 2008-05-05 11:15:51

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#12 2008-05-05 12:00:48

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In their time, all these well dressed guys represented in the AA illustrations were innovators in the cloths and cuts they wore while keeping in line with tradition. I'd say that the only way you can copy the 1930s style is by *not* copying the style.

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#13 2008-05-05 12:37:50

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#14 2008-05-05 12:39:43

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#15 2008-05-05 12:40:53

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#16 2008-05-05 12:49:01

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#17 2008-05-05 13:02:44

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#18 2008-05-05 13:16:14

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#19 2008-05-05 13:23:21

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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#20 2008-05-05 13:29:11

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#21 2008-05-05 13:35:32

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#22 2008-05-05 13:40:58

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#23 2008-05-05 16:19:41

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#24 2008-05-05 17:37:59

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