Tom definitely remembers them.
I never bought anything from them but remember them. There is another shoe store now in their place, which is apparently staffed or run by the brother of James next door at J.Press.
My dad, I believe, has a pair of jodhpurs that came from there when it was still Barrie.
Nice!
The part of Ivy style which is pure Anglo style is an area I certainly acknowledge, but like many another Anglo Ivy nut I run slightly shy of.
I know in my heart that if you'd shown up at Harvard in an Anglo style Tweed at the right point you'd have been quite a swell on campus. Darted & padded shouldered, but a real swell to have a real Anglo item.
I just don't like the fact.
Anyways - Nice shoos.
J.
I have the sneaking suspicion that all of this was written to get on my good side. And I still don't believe that anyone from England should write about american clothes.
Of course I also believe in the Great Pumpkin, I believe that Latin should be taught in American grade schools, I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone and that George W. Bush should be hung from a rotten cherry tree.
I believe in my country. I believe when it is true to its values it is the nation that all the world aspires to be. And its male citizens are the best dressed people in the world....on those rarer and rarer occasions when they actually make an effort.
And I do know all about Barries and its demise. I bought my first shoes there in the late 60s..
LOL!
Not remotely, if you mean my post.
I suspect that your 'good side' may well be the least informative and entertaining part of you.
Don't go changin'.
Best -
The first time I used that line was at the Royal Opera House for a performance of Swan Lake. At the intermission some old idiot begged me to give up my seat to talk to the hot looking brunnette sitting next to me with whom he claimed an acquaintance. when the lights began to blink I literally had to toss the idiot out to reclaim my seat.I looked at the girl and said: No wonder...... Circa 1976.
But in all honesty I read these posts. i can't make head nor tail out of the claimed distinctions. I spent a lot of time and own property in South Carolina. I grew up and still live in New Haven, CT. I just don't understand what people are saying about the clothes I wear. I will say this: Some people adapt a style. other people are brought up in a style. I am surprised that a non native adopts a style from New England circa 1964. I'm not complaining. But reading someone espouse their adapted style is just like reading Bill Kritol's opinion pieces in the New York Times.
But I promise I will write about Barries over the American three day Memorial Day weekend. My country is turning in the right direction. I need to be a better person, in keeping with the times.
Tom, I think you're a national treasure.
The fun I was hoping to have with you was that If I can't write about American style then FNB shouldn't write about English style.
It would have made for one of those great Internet circular conversations which we all enjoy because they stop us from doing any work on a dull Thursday.
But we're not going to play that game.
My stuff is/was only a response to the old claims made by "Trad" on AAAT for the classic American style. I've never personally originated any theories about 'what its all about', I've just questioned other people's theories. If I've learned anything in life it's that nothing is ever ALL about anything.
Why not dress in American style in London? Americans dress in English and Italian style in NYC. Should we all just wear our national costumes and not exercise our own sartorial taste?
Again that would make another great Internet conversation. But not much more than that.
Like you I too am often bemused about what people write about the clothes I wear. Why does nobody ever enthuse about their beauty? Instead I see people preferring to talk about what the clothes symbolise and how they are emblematic of this or that as they see fit. Very strange to me. And to you too I gather.
I'm with you - clothes are clothes. Find what you like & wear it. Anything more than that is to do with you, not the clothes. All the 'aspirational' stuff we used to hear about lies in the wearer, not the garments themselves.
The London take on Ivy League is now so firmly established after at least 60 years (I'm using David's on Charing Cross Road as a starting point for this: The first proper London shop selling The Look that I know of. Prior to that the style was often traded or bought from the GI's) that you can't claim that guys over here are adopting/adapting the style of New England in '64. They're wearing the recognised Ivy League style of Lou Austin and John Simons. This style is a part of the London scene & has been for years. It has its ups & downs, but it has been a consistent element in menswear over here since WWII.
Even in '76 (or maybe especially in London in '76) your comment about the Empire must have cracked everybody up. If you can't understand why an Englishman would like American style then your interest in the old British Empire is even more of a puzzle to us. Very few people care about it over here. Personally I find the desire to have an Empire in the first place rather loopy. But that's just me.
I'm looking forward to the posts on Barrie & anything else you might want to share. I do think that you add a lot to the forum. Like I say: Don't go changing.
Best -
Jim
RS: Peace! I spent 1976 in London and it was one of the happiest times of my life (very cheap to live there then. The pound had taken a tremendous hit). I stood in line at the National Theater and saw Albert Finney doing Hamlet and Tanberlaine the Great. Paid a a couple of bucks for the best theater I had ever seen or will ever hope to see. I was a clothes horse then. Had a couple of Arthur Rosenberg suits and a couple of McGorge by way of the Yale Co-Op sweaters. Shoes were from Barries (Italian Gucci imitation loafers which they did very well at the time). I bought an overcoat from the Savoy Tailor Guild, a 4 ply cashmere sweater from some place in the Burlington arcade. Indulged a taste for Britains lead toy soldiers (Stopped making them a decade before).
Wouldn't tell anyone how to dress. Enjoyed the couple of times I was mistaken for a young English gentleman who knew the way around London. Bought umbrellas from Thomas Fox, James Smith and Burberrys. Bought a Burberry raincoat some 20 years before they were fashionable. I was a pilgrim. I would never have told the English about their style. I wouldn't do it now. I loved it all then. Great times.
We're cool. Always were. It's just fun to play around sometimes.
The English Barrie were Joseph Cheaney.
What's the connection between Barrie Bootery and Alden's "Barrie" last, if any?
TV's photos are not of Cheaney make. The word "style" within the lining of the shoe appears familiar. A US? maker even though the shoe construction appears somewhat Italian. No stitching on the top of the sole (glued?) and a universal (right/left) neoprene top-lift on the bottom of the heel. Of course the heel top-lifts may be replacements.
I know that when facing Press on York, Barrie was to the left 20 years ago. Did they move to the corner a the right of Press when Rosenberg's folded? Or did their demise predate Rosenberg's?
I live in my on mind and have UFO landing sights in Awendaw, South Carolina. I dig the Glaswegian interpretation of the Desi look circa 1957. Bobaloo Ivy, I think it's called.
(Take a break and upon return most of the neighborhood has changed. Gomez back from his rather dramatic retirement?)
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