Theyve been writing these articles for forever. I wonder what the media has against ties? Although, the suit gets its fair share of knocks. That prediction has backfired. As the article says and as i have noticed for a few years, now that men dont have to wear tailored clothes to the office, they want to. America is all about action/reaction.


I haven't necessarily got a problem with people not wearing a tie socially. The problem is knowing when to and when not to. I know when to wear one and when not to, most men cant even put a tie on a shirt without getting someone else's approval.


Also, a lot of these men without ties think they look cool and they just look one step closer to living in a cardboard box. Some men look great without ties, most look like schleps. Ties give you a neat, completed look.

Doesn't matter what i say, women will drive the use of ties on men. If they like it and I am getting a feeling theyre liking dressed up men again more, they'll get worn. Additionally, the generation under baby boomer is rebelling against their tasteless, selfish, irresponsible consumerism. They prefer one or two extremely nice items; suits, jackets, jeans what have you. And men don't want to spend a fortune on a suits and then wear them always without a tie with their collars flapping around.

The flip side is to not be too rigid and dogmatic. There are times in meetings where men without ties have asked me to remove mine and I have acquiesced. To not do so would result in insulting everyone else and tell them i am looking down on them.

If the tie is cool enough, you can wear it with a jacket even going out, a lot of the "skinny" ties qualify for that. If you go out with a business tie on, you look like you're no fun, if you wear a black suit, white shirt and black thin tie, you're cool.


Why do you have to wear them to baseball games?

Hmmm. Designer Tom Ford was getting a migrane from his necktie? Curious that!

Who are some of the surviving American manufacturers of quality neckties? Is Talbott's stuff actually made in the USA?

The vast majority of my neckties are Italian. No particular bias on my part, just what I can find readily at good prices.

I note that the trend among people against ties is that they don't like to be told to wear one. I, on the other hand, find that such limits only initiate creativity in dressing.

What with all the casual slobbiness that permeates the modern workplace, everyone ends up looking exactly the same in their jeans, shorts and other unmentionables. A conservative environment enables a sartorially-inclined individual to be subversive.

Last edited by Incroyable (2008-06-06 16:39:44)

Hober thinks "that men are more sophisticated now," but somehow I doubt that.  It's one of those things that everyone says, like "children are so advanced these days...", or whatever, but it's just talk, as far as I can see.  I guess the idea is that those who continue to wear the tie, out of choice, will do so by treating it as an object worth being educated about, having knowledge of, etc.

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Horace,

I am not sure if anyone has a statistically significant sampling to really the answer any of our questions so all of our comments amount to a pleasant social conversation.

Our client base is a diverse selection of gentlemen with only a small number from forums. When I say diverse I am thinking about age groups: recent grads to seniors who are retired. We have only a few women making orders for husbands and family members.

My ideas really are based on a limited sampling and I could be quite wrong I often am just ask my wife... smiling

Seeking further data I just called my father who loves clothes and is retired from the clothing industry and almost 80.

He does not agree with me. Instead he sees sophistication typically as industry and geography based, as in a Boston banker will know more about clothes than an Iowa farmer. He does not see much in terms of a generational change in sophistication. Although he did observe that we have cycles in fashion such as the casual office.

In the end I may just may be an optimist or maybe as you say I just meet those who already love clothes?