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#1 2006-06-20 11:46:33
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Ask Horace About Trad (AHAT)
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#2 2006-06-20 12:26:11
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Napoleon has crowned himself a second time, taking the crown away from Pope Harris. Long live the Emperor.
#3 2006-06-20 12:40:24
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Why dont I know what anyone is talking about anymore?
Oh yes, its summertime....
#4 2006-06-20 12:43:43
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" ... Ubi bene, ibi patria, which being roughly translated means, 'Wherever there's a handout, that's for me, man.' "
Alistair Cooke. 1968.
#6 2006-06-20 12:52:44
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""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.
#7 2006-06-20 12:55:29
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I am an embittered hunchback...
I shall go back to Literotica & write spoof erotic 'poetry'...
Edit: And I just did!
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" ... Ubi bene, ibi patria, which being roughly translated means, 'Wherever there's a handout, that's for me, man.' "
Alistair Cooke. 1968.
#8 2006-06-20 13:04:12
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Brother H., I would like to give my support 100%, to this project.
I know I am not an important man, and latest I feel like I lost all my rojo, but still I would like to take this time and break a champagne on AHAT, even if its only Corona.
Truely,
Vaclav
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#9 2006-06-20 13:21:41
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#11 2006-06-20 13:43:02
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FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD FIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGHHHT!!!!
#12 2006-06-20 14:13:02
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Horace,
Have you ever seen fit to join any of the trad discussions at AAAC?
#13 2006-06-20 14:16:29
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Fabulous! I applaud your sui sponte efforts to grab the Trad bull by the horns!
But what about Vaclav and his alter ego, the godfather of Trad? Is there room on the Trad planet?
#16 2006-06-21 00:06:23
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""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.
#17 2006-06-21 00:23:13
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not." Oscar Wilde
#18 2006-06-21 01:25:43
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Horace, you shall be the Trad answer to the "Style Guy" Glenn O'Brien.
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#19 2006-06-21 02:00:25
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#20 2006-06-21 03:04:05
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Taken seriously (I know... look who's talking) this could be a really good thread.
Most 'Trad' advice out there is presented in the form of a series of boasts - you can pick up a lot of interesting tips, but you have to indulge the poster's ego to get to them.
Nobody before has simply made the offer: "What can I tell you?"
I find this really refreshing, especially as I do have questions about 'Trad' to ask.
So for starters:
1) Why is it called "Trad" in the first place?
2) What are you saying through your clothes when you present yourself to the world as a "Traditionalist"?
3) When did this "Tradition" start? By which I mean when did the clothes stop being just everyday clothes and suddenly became a "Tradition"?
4) Where did the name "Trad" originate?
5) How do account for the need to spread the style to cars, dogs, brands of beer, etc.? At first I thought that it was all a joke, but I soon realised that people are serious about this aspect even when they claim that it's all tongue-in-cheek. Folk out there really do care about things being "Trad" or not.
Later I want to move on to the specifics of the style - the 'code' of it all, but just to start I'd love to know the answers to the above.
Thanks for the opportunity to ask the questions.
Miles
" ... Ubi bene, ibi patria, which being roughly translated means, 'Wherever there's a handout, that's for me, man.' "
Alistair Cooke. 1968.
#21 2006-06-21 05:03:40
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One last quick question for the moment -
Being a 'real' "Trad" seems to be really important - Being authentic, not a phoney, not a guy in fancy dress, not somebody without the 'right' credentials. What's that all about then?
In Europe we have attitudes which are similar concerning race, background, income, social class, education, you name it, but they are not celebrated. They are seen as faults. Character defects.
Can you throw any light on this?
I promise you I'm not making any point here I just want to understand "Trad" better.
Miles.
" ... Ubi bene, ibi patria, which being roughly translated means, 'Wherever there's a handout, that's for me, man.' "
Alistair Cooke. 1968.
#22 2006-06-21 16:19:19
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""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.
#23 2006-06-21 16:21:26
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""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.
#24 2006-06-22 00:04:53
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""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.
#25 2006-06-22 04:44:18
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Many thanks - I've found that really useful.
For the first time I begin to get it.
I thought that "Trad" was like the English 'Sloan Ranger' or even 'Fogey' etc., but I was way off the mark - There is no real "Tradition" to "Trad" is there? It's a brand-spanking new construct.
I am, however, no less intersted in it.
"Trad" as a philosophy/way of life is fascinating... Not for me, but well worthy of study...
I just wish that they didn't wear my beloved Ivy League clothes - Maybe they should go all Anglo & kit themselves out in stuff from the Row?
Maybe not. The American flavour to this unique style should be retained.
"Trad" clearly is a philosophy. Fair enough.
But what about all those wonderful clothes? All that 'Classic American Dressing'?
I'm happy for "Trads" to dress in CAD, but I don't want my CAD wardrobe to be made into a pile of dusty rags by their appropriated 'ownership' of this style of dress.
What to do? What to do?
Miles.
" ... Ubi bene, ibi patria, which being roughly translated means, 'Wherever there's a handout, that's for me, man.' "
Alistair Cooke. 1968.