What did, Mr. Lifshitz , say ?

There is one man in America who you should ask.  It should be obvious who if you do a little reading (off the forums).

Agreed that the Modern Jazz/Ivy link is far stronger in Europe & Japan. The clothes went with the music, each spreading the popularity of the other outside the US post WWII.
In America the story is different...
So to talk about the redefinition of cool is a fascinating topic, but a really tricky one mainly because primary sources are by now so few - Although there is one man as Horace says who knows (I suspect we are thinking of the same chap, H.).

What is the angle for Ralph? This is an area he's neglected up 'til now.

Just interested.

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Ahhhh - I don't see the Jazz Age & Gatsby as being the same as Miles in the 50's hence the confusion. I'm not an American you know. I live on this small island just to the right of the Atlantic. The one after Ireland...

Sometimes I get mixed up.

Chensvy ol boy,

Do see this thread.  It may unlock ol Ho'e's riddle above. 

Is this RL Magazine anywhere but on his website?  My guess is that ol Ralphie's editors may not want you to quote the true authority on Ivy clothing.

http://www.filmnoirbuff.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2050

Cheerio.

Chet Baker was also an Andover Shop customer and Jazz trumpet genius.

I'm afraid he was white though. No use?

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Hear it and live:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOjxBuwBUEE

And send this one off in the deep space probe.  The aliens will understand, perfectly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMrK7564Egs&feature=related

Last edited by Voltaire's Love Child (2008-07-01 23:31:37)

The Jazz-Ivy link was only part of the creative world- Ivy league associations in the mid late 50s through to the early 60s. This include numerous left field talents from all creative sectors. John Cassevetes(Actor/Director), Anthony Perkins (Actor), Bob Newhart (Comedian), Andy Warhol (commercial Artist), Jack Kerouac (Author). and many more. All Ivy Leaguers, by either birth right , education or choice.

The Jazz-Ivy League was just more visible and so it gets greater recognition.

Modern Jazz is also a left field art form and in the 50s it attracted an audience with a variety of backgrounds. Jazz was popular in the Campus' in the 50's and university gigs were very common. IMO this is probably one of the crossover areas where Jazz musicians were exposed to the the Ivy League look, sharper and uncommon on the Street.

As we are told Blue Note Jazz musicians would blow recording fees in J Press, The Andover Shop, Paul Stuart and BB all ivy League haunts. in the 50s and 60s.

The Jazz - Ivy League association grew organicly, naturally and they were not forced together for commercial gain. It just happened for a variety of reasons.

Current Jazz - Ivy League associations. BB has an "arranged marriage" with Wynton Marsalis and the Lincoln Center Jazz Orchestra. Brokered by some Mistermind from a Product Placement Consultancy, who read the history books and put, Brooks Brother, The leaders of Ivy League Lite together with IMO technical  and creatively one the greatest Modern Jazz  Trumpet Players of his era. Who I also consider to be very cool. Not his fault, to be in the right place at the wrong time. For WM to have been cool he would have had to have been around in the mid 50s, with Fats, Lee, Blue, Miles et al, when there was some very serious competion.

Jazzers in the 50s bought, begged, borrow or stoll the threads, product endosement was not an option. For me that mean total devotion.

RH

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