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#26 2008-07-03 04:02:20

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: Jazz-Ivy story for RL Magazine: help with research

CMC - Talk to Richard Channing who sold clothes to Miles Davis whilst at Paul Stuart. He's in Paul Gorman's 'The Look'. Shouldn't be too hard for you to track him down.

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#27 2008-07-03 04:54:22

Horace
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""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#28 2008-07-03 05:53:49

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: Jazz-Ivy story for RL Magazine: help with research

^ I'd suspect that you are looking at multiple sources here.
I certainly know of a few.

Jazz musicians spent money on clothes. When Ivy was 'in' they bought those. Nothing controversial here.

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#29 2008-07-03 07:38:10

Richmond Hill
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Re: Jazz-Ivy story for RL Magazine: help with research

Quote from Percy Heath (MJQ) in the 50s

We wore Brooks Brothers and other Ivy League clothes. We had them tailor made. We ended up, the Quartet, with very expensive uniforms. They'd last for 10 years, even though I'd sweat 'em up. They'd last for 10 years.

RH

 

#30 2008-07-03 07:41:55

H. Logg
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#31 2008-07-03 08:39:13

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: Jazz-Ivy story for RL Magazine: help with research

Twixt Zoot (Malcolm X!) and Ivy (Miles!) came the" Professor Bop" era - Jazzmen in mock-Academic dress to show that Jazz was serious...
Oversized dead straight suits & white shirts with berets and go-fuck-yourself ties. Dizzy!

Jazz as Black classical music.   With attitude.

j.

 

#32 2008-07-03 09:16:46

tripchauncey
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Chums,

Dont know if this has been posted before.

Cheerio.

http://rockpopfashion.com/blog/?cat=163

 

#33 2008-07-03 09:31:05

Taylor McIntyre
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Paul Gorman is great.
All my favourite chats with Chris_H start with Chris saying that he'd just been into J. Simons and John had just got off the phone with PG...

Great place Ivy style London - Quality not quantity.

j.

 

#34 2008-07-03 12:52:20

CMC
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Re: Jazz-Ivy story for RL Magazine: help with research

Spoke with Charlie at Andover, waiting for Charles Bourgeois. Am going after Richard Channing, based on that link from a previous thread. Thanks all once again.

1) What year did Miles first go to Andover? Charlie couldn't remember.

2) How long did this phase last for Miles, and what albums did he make in this phase?


"Negative stuff always backfires on the troll." — Russell Street
"No insight comes from smearing and sneering." — Big Tony
"Find something useful to do." — Nicholas J. Storey

 

#35 2008-07-03 13:00:12

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: Jazz-Ivy story for RL Magazine: help with research

I'll see what I can look up...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kind_of_Blue

^ Miles in Paul Stuart. 1959.

Best -

(Used to play that record in The Ivy Shop, have I ever mentioned The Ivy Shop?)

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#36 2008-07-03 13:04:17

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: Jazz-Ivy story for RL Magazine: help with research

Miles in Ivy in '56:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workin%27

 

#37 2008-07-03 13:22:41

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#38 2008-07-03 14:11:55

Richmond Hill
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Miles was still dressing in Ivy through to the early/mid sixties. Look as RS suggests to album art and deduct 6 months for printing and distribution. By ESP, 1966 he had been introduced to the Peacock Revolution and by the end of the decade he had discovered his Sister's wardrode, bless him.

IMHO, Miles Davis stopped playing Modern Jazz when he stopped wearing suits. After that date he played music that is almost impossible to accurately define. Better....worse you choose

RH

 

#39 2008-07-03 15:38:25

Tony Ventresca
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Don't forget to send FNB his cheque, after Our Ralphie eventually pays you.

 

#40 2008-07-03 23:48:33

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: Jazz-Ivy story for RL Magazine: help with research

You should talk to John Simons & Graham Marsh in England too.
John Simons especially is an expert on the Modern Jazz / Ivy League style overlap. He knew all the clubs in NYC.

 

#41 2008-07-03 23:49:52

Taylor McIntyre
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#42 2008-07-03 23:59:43

Taylor McIntyre
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#43 2008-07-04 06:22:50

rsmeyer
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#44 2008-07-04 06:24:05

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: Jazz-Ivy story for RL Magazine: help with research

Ahhhhhhhh -  Thank you, Sir.

 

#45 2008-07-05 17:11:54

CMC
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I received this e-mail from a jazz critic:

Your list is rather short and fairly strange.  Chet may have dressed up at some early stages of his quite varied life, but for the most part he had a junkie's disregard for how he looked.  Paul Desmond was on the whole less involved with clothes than many other West Coast players, although virtually all of them settled for a kind of placid variation on the Brooks Brothers style.  (Incidentally, J. Press never was really much more than the Hollywood, lower-lower-price tag version of Brooks.)
that hold.  Roy Haynes, probably.  The Modern Jazz Quartet's dress code would seem to have been more a matter of wearing the equivalent of a band uniform.  Percy always dressed that way; Connie (the last to join the quartet) seemed above all to want to fit in with the others; Milt Jackson only dressed that way on the bandstand.  Besides, most people thought of the M.J.Q. as wearing tuxedos.  Ahmet had no jazz relevance (are you perhaps thinking of Nesuhi?).  And no matter where Horace bought his clothes, he was never memorable for what he wore -- except for looking kind of rumpled.


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"No insight comes from smearing and sneering." — Big Tony
"Find something useful to do." — Nicholas J. Storey

 

#46 2008-07-05 22:54:30

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#47 2008-07-06 01:22:05

Taylor McIntyre
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#48 2008-07-06 01:29:33

Taylor McIntyre
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#49 2008-07-06 06:20:54

Richmond Hill
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#50 2008-07-06 06:31:20

Richmond Hill
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RS,
There are leaders and their are followers. Miles was aleader, and I think that he jumped off the Ivy Train about 63, but he wouldn't have ditched all of the threads immediately, probably over a year of so his image would have changed. But he had the cash to do this alot quicker that many strapped for cash Jazz musicians, Many stayed on the Train for another couple of years.

LP covers are a good indicater.

RH

 

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