Film Noir Buff Style Forum / Jazz-Ivy story for RL Magazine: help with research

Taylor McIntyre · 2008-07-07 11:51:19

True that.

The story is always muddy.

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CMC · 2008-07-07 15:02:48

I interviewed Roy Haynes today. He says he went for natural shouldered jackets, button-down shirts and repp ties at the time, which he got from Andover (presumably among other places).

However, he didn't offer much insight on the context. My overall impression was that it was just one of many fashions he and the others adopted. For a time it was cool to adopt that look when no one else was. Then they moved on.

The most unusual thing was that he said he first went to Andover in '51, which seems awful early based on my admittedly superficial research thus far.

Voltaire's Other Bastard · 2008-07-07 17:01:40

Here's Miles with the Second Quintet in Milano in '64, dressed like the MJQ - or members of the NOI. Great stuff. What I find very interesting is that at the beginning of the tune and during his solo, Miles does not face the audience and eventually turns to face the band. Stanley Mother-Fucking Crouch took Miles to task for this in his celebrated attack, contending that it was indicative of Miles' contempt for jazz tradition. Miles always said that he did this because he could hear the band better. As no one- that I know of - has ever accused the Miles of the Second Quintet of being contempous of jazz tradition, I conclude the Crouch was talking out his fat ass. Of course, I concluded that a long time ago, but it is always pleasant to have one's prejudices confirmed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o40smfOyIso&feature=related

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Taylor McIntyre · 2008-07-07 22:22:36

Lovely stuff.

CMC - Very interesting. '51, eh? Roy was ahead of the game maybe.

rsmeyer · 2008-07-08 06:09:02

rsmeyer · 2008-07-08 06:12:29

The YouTube clip was exactly the way he dressed when I saw him live-cool and elegant-"Continental" or Italian style.

rsmeyer · 2008-07-08 06:17:54

Taylor McIntyre · 2008-07-08 06:54:48

"Trad"? I'm not sure that RH could ever be connected wih AAAT...

- I don't think that AAAT would want him & maybe also vice versa even.

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Voltaire's Love Child · 2008-07-08 21:19:54

Taylor McIntyre · 2008-07-09 08:04:14

Jimmy in Ivy:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jimmy-Giuffre-Three/dp/B000002JMG/ref=pd_bxgy_m_h__img_b?ie=UTF8&qid=1215612110&sr=1-2

J.

rsmeyer · 2008-07-09 11:07:15

CMC · 2008-07-09 17:53:29

I pulled this quote about Horace Silver from somewhere on this site I think, but can't find the source. Is it familiar to anyone?

horace silver Neat 'Ivy League' style side-parted hair: Short back & sides with slight sideburns.
Pale Grey poplin natural-shouldered Sack suit, 3 to 2 roll 'tipped' lapel line, flat-fronted trousers.
White Oxford cloth button-down collared shirt.
Solid dark knit tie.
Plain leather belt.

... "A mild-mannered, sincerely affable young man who dresses with a hip neatness" ...

Also, I spoke with Charlie Bourgeois who confirmed that Chet went at least a few times to Andover. Bourgeois said that when Baker arrived from California to play at Storyville he looked like "a ragamuffin with big shoulder pads. I said, 'You can't be seen like that.'"

Voltaire's Love Child · 2008-07-09 20:39:27

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Taylor McIntyre · 2008-07-10 00:37:06

rsmeyer · 2008-07-10 06:44:19

"Train and the River"-my bad! This has turned into a really good thread, with all comments learned and reflective. Thanks to all!

Voltaire's Other Bastard · 2008-07-10 10:41:03

This has zip to do with "Ivy" or "Trad" or men's clothing in any respect, but the clip of Anita O'Day singing "Sweet Georgia Brown" and "Tea For Two" from JOASD is on the Giuffre clips' sidebar. Stone-cold wonderful. Anita has never gotten her due, unfortunately, not that she gave a damn. Fantastic performance, and she looks sexy as hell, which is really remarkable, considering that she was a junkie who was high on H during the gig. You either have it or you don't. She sure had it.

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Taylor McIntyre · 2008-07-10 10:54:21

Amen.

CMC · 2008-07-10 12:37:57

A few years ago I had a story in development with the LA Times to profile two divas from a Hollywood nursing home. Both Anita O'Day and Yma Sumac lived in the facility, and apparently couldn't stand each other.

Story never got the green light.

CMC · 2008-07-16 15:15:24

Story turned in. Thanks again for all your help.

Horace · 2008-07-18 00:26:30

Let us know what happens with it please.

Taylor McIntyre · 2008-08-08 04:20:32

Just been chatting to CMC - The article should be out in 3 - 4 weeks.

rsmeyer · 2008-10-02 07:42:19

Taylor McIntyre · 2008-10-02 07:55:15

I have to say that I'd never seen that shot before & I love it.

fxh · 2013-01-20 17:20:03

This thread not only deserves a bump. But I recommend you read it from post 1 through to the end.

It takes us back to a kinder gentler time when it was hands across the oceans rather than spitballs and snot.

It shows how much can be obtained and learnt from a a polite respectful interaction.

Call me an old hippy.

fxh · 2013-01-20 17:22:58

This thread not only deserves a bump. But I recommend you read it from post 1 through to the end.

It takes us back to a kinder gentler time when it was hands across the oceans rather than spitballs and snot.

It shows how much can be obtained and learnt from a a polite respectful interaction.

Call me an old hippy.

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