I like the concept of being free to flout convention.


If I may build on your idea - I think that going beyond convention because of a well thought out reason, or even a feeling is good.

To simply go against convention for the sake of rebellion, is not attractive to me. Of course I am not  a teenager or revolutionary type.... (smiling)

Despite the fact that I've tried almost every available RTW oxford cloth button-down, I've never really found, with perhaps one exception, a better shirt, taken on its own terms.  Its iconic status cannot be surpassed.  And I think the roll of the collar, and the full (yet not blousy) cut, the shirring at the sleeve cuff, are perfect.  I haven't really worn a new pink one -- so I don't know if they still do that perfect pink shade.  I know they have messed around with the yellow colored shirt -- and I think ruined it.   As a matter of comparison, my Brooks salesman (a Brooks man since 1959), showed me the variations in the yellow oxford over the years.

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Marc,
no offense taken, at all! I like debates:-)
I'm neither a fan of English Modeled Sholte cut sported by HRH the DOW nor of the Italian Modeled Caraceni cut loved by GA, so my greater appreciation for the Duke comes more from a global style valuation than from any specific item of clothing.

Cheers!

Yes, Fiat's hand in buying many of the small heritage firms was indeed, a "kiss of death". For example, the aforementioned Alfa Romeo although some do praise the Series 4 Spider as being worthy of the Series 1; it was redesigned by Pininfarina after several years of stagnation, and ill-done Kamm tails.

A notable example would be Lancia whose former products as the much celebrated Fulvia were diminished with Fiat's acquisition and their cost-cutting dynamics. Fiat had some controversy with using inferior quality Russian steel for their cars, I believe, in the '80s.

Of course, it seems every Italian marque is now owned by them.

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Oddly 'Fogeys' love the DOW too.
In England there was an even worse person too called Mosely whom people loved... Absolutely filthy politics but great personal style. A lot of people saw the style and not the substance with him...

Do I really want to say this...?

Von Ribbontrop (Sp? I bet) was HUGELY admired pre-WWII in London, mainly for his style & personal charm. He dined EVERYWHERE. Only after the event did people pretend that they had never heard of him. (He was the German Ambassador to Engand pre-WWII)
The guy was a Nazi (period), but In London in the 30's nobody really knew what anything really meant in the 'outside' world - all too preoccupied with thinking about their own waning Empire... Even my own Grandmother maintained that he was 'a wonderful dancer' right up to the end. Sad, horrible, wrong,  but true...

Mr Agnelli, I can't comment on... Of the DOW, Mosely, and Von Ribbontrop I can say this - They were stylish, seductive, charming and, in their own manner, always well-dressed. Perfect hosts and perfect guests, but... that was really all they were. As stylists they were amongst the 'A' list of their times, as human beings they really didn't rate so highly.

Only a POV, but true to the best of my knowledge.

Miles.

Edit: Another bad post from me. Style is the point of this forum. My post was just about bad political choices people made (when?) 70-ish years ago in London.

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