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#1 2008-10-30 11:51:46

chetmiles
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Current Italian style as seen in Rome and the Veneto

Just spent the past few days soaking up the sunshine in Rome and the rain in Venice and Mestre, and this is a response to the homage on the JS website.
The men seemed, on the whole, better dressed in the north: creamy suits and mufflers;
In Trastevere, around the Sunday market, a kind of downbeat chav look was in evidence;
the only pair of decent desert boots I clocked were on my own feet;
dodgy Fred Perry gear is making inroads;
Missoni still looks the biz - 300 euros for a cashmere scarf;
the Church shop in Venice had at least one pair of shoes in the window that were disgusting;
the average Italian male can get away with far more than his English counterpart - ditto the French;
cafe culture remains superlative, Big John...

 

#2 2008-10-31 10:59:06

Toffeeman
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Re: Current Italian style as seen in Rome and the Veneto

Chetmiles - thank you for the Italian update. I haven't been since my week in Tuscany in July and I'm missing it so much. Trips to Sardinia and Turin lined up for first half of 2009. I have witnessed greatness across the whole of the holy peninsula but above all in Bologna where I discovered a city rich in those glorious Italian contradictions - traditional but dynamic, conservative but socialist, untouched by mass tourism and so assured of its own way of doing things. One of the most intense religious experiences of my life (faith : modernist) occured just off of Piazza Maggiore where a group of men in their 30s chatted animatedly in a way Anglo-Saxon men struggle to do even with the assistance of alcohol. The clothes were just fine, the body language and the way they occupied the city space were intoxicating. As I gazed on there was a chorus of ciaos and one of the group climbed onto his scooter. I thought - this is it, the mod thing, where it came from, and where it is a natural part of everyday life : an elevated, eminently more sophisticated and positive model of how to be, particularly for men, who so often struggle to escape suffocating notions of assertive, aggressive masculinity in this often wretched country of ours. On recent trips to Italy I have seen elegance on an everyday basis across the classes and across the regions. I have stumbled upon little clothes shops all over the country selling beautiful things made with fantastic fabrics, expertly cut and beautifully displayed. J.Simons is the best shop in the UK by a mile. Absolutely no competition. But this is such a sad thing because it reflects the lack of any interest out there in London and the rest of the UK in dressing with any sense of knowledge, style or awareness. Men are so lacking in visual awareness it's just awful. Whilst Italy may not have a retailer servicing a niche interest as JS does, it offers instead a plethora of greatness to all the people through a network of little independent shops all doing their thing, all understanding that they can sell a jacket with a soft shoulder in a lovely shade of blue, or a great pair of Made in Italy desert boots for 50 euros, or beautiful ties and socks. It's not self-consciously Ivy League, but more a distillation of the best of Italian-English-American dress, using traditional silhouettes and colour combinations that inform virtually everything they offer. God I love Italy.

 

#3 2008-10-31 11:15:24

chetmiles
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Re: Current Italian style as seen in Rome and the Veneto

Thank you for that - absolutely beautifully put, Toffeeman.
I saw guys at lunch together in Ostuni in 2006, absolutely natural with one another, a kiss and a handclasp, all so very un-English.  We passed through Bologna on the train, beneath an overcast sky, and I thought of you then and at many other times during the trip.  A lovely vision: a very cool looking priest in Rome, just dismounted from a scooter, instantly surrounded by gorgeous girls - true! 
The best shops were, unfortunately, closed, even in Venice.  I've found excellent ones in Lecce and Brindisi: desert boots and colourful jumpers in particular.  Naples in 2009, I think.

 

#4 2008-10-31 11:40:47

Chris_H
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#5 2008-10-31 15:20:14

chetmiles
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Re: Current Italian style as seen in Rome and the Veneto

Good choice, Chris.  I saw a guy at a bus stop in Mestre on Monday who was perfect - and so very, very natural with it.  Same in France, the guys just carry it off, even when unshaven and with their shirts untucked.  It's an entirely different scene, right down to manners and coffee-sipping.

 

#6 2008-10-31 15:21:14

Alex Roest
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Re: Current Italian style as seen in Rome and the Veneto

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#7 2008-11-01 01:19:54

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: Current Italian style as seen in Rome and the Veneto

Like I say - For my generation & location he has to be one of the real Faces.

Kosher.

 

#8 2008-11-01 05:45:56

Kingstonian
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Re: Current Italian style as seen in Rome and the Veneto

On the theme of Italian style in general, I was very disappointed in what I saw in the film 'Gomorrah' about the Neapolitan mafia - the Camorra.

It is not an Italian 'Goodfellas'. Everyone, apart from a dodgy politician, is wearing crap clothes. They are mostly overweight in a way that makes the Sopranos seem classy.

The apartment blocks are truly dreadful.

Maybe it is the effect of the drug problem. I saw no sign of pride in appearance or even criminals living the high life on the proceeds. The only pride in tailoring was the Italian dressmaker passing on trade secrets to Chinese rivals.

 

#9 2008-11-01 06:39:19

chetmiles
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Re: Current Italian style as seen in Rome and the Veneto

I think it must depend on where you go, your perceptions before arriving and when departing etc.  The older men tend to be classier than the young, wearing shoes (to give one example) you would rarely if ever see in England - bold, sometimes a bit tasteless to our eyes, but with panache.  Sure, for every Missoni outlet there's a dozen or two selling rubbish - but what would you expect?  I've been in Rome, Venice, Genoa, Brindisi, Lecce, Pisa, Florence, Ostuni, and there is an underlying 'mod' sensibility to be found in the most unlikely places: an ad for Brioni here, an old Vespa there, a photo of Marcello in a back street.  But it's also a place where people live and work and some of it is ugly, just like here.  Toffeeman and I love the light, the colours, the manners, the language, the nuances in bars and cafes, the girls, the lingerie ads...  They have a style that is just totally lacking here.  Toffeeman can express this better than I: he is truly in love with the place.

 
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