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#1 2009-01-13 10:14:43

egadfly
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On the Ontogeny of "Trad"

 

#2 2009-01-13 10:24:30

tintin
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Re: On the Ontogeny of "Trad"

"All we need is a voluntary, free-spirited, open-ended program of procreative racial deconstruction. Everybody just gotta keep fuckin' everybody 'til they're all the same color. " Bullworth

My favorite line.

 

#3 2009-01-13 10:41:37

Tony Ventresca
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#4 2009-01-13 10:55:10

mike
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Re: On the Ontogeny of "Trad"


You love him? He is hephaistion.

 

#5 2009-01-14 03:12:56

Matt
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Re: On the Ontogeny of "Trad"

Interesting points. In this academic area in the Norheast US, there is a tremendous amount of "white guilt".

You see a lot of white kids in high school wearing cargo shorts at crack level and bandanas on their heads. Some of them are hugely disappointed that they weren't born black.

Our society here worships at the shrine of diversity. Never mind what the mission of the group is, the first thing that has to be addressed is to check out the diversity.

Clint Eastwood caught a lot of grief from someone like Spike Lee, because there weren't enough black actors playing Marines, in the movie that he made about the battle of Iwo Jima.

As Eastwood said, he wanted to make the movie as realistic as possible, and there were few, if any black Marines present.

He summed it up by saying "why do we have to be so damned sensitive?"

Look at the NFL. The "Rooney Rule" forces an owner to interview a black coach, if there is an opening. The NFL is the ultimate meritocracy, and even the dumbest owner knows that it is about winning, not social engineering.

It is impossible to improve on Tintin's point.

 

#6 2009-01-14 06:55:52

Tony Ventresca
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Re: On the Ontogeny of "Trad"

^ Only in the US is race discusssed in terms like this.

 

#7 2009-01-15 00:34:12

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: On the Ontogeny of "Trad"

Interesting.

I very first knew Ivy as a Black style via Jazz. Even today trenchcoats make me think of Horace & Dexter, not Bogie.
I first embraced this style as a rejection of the ultra correct (and to me ultra boring) WASPy English clothing of my youth.

Putting on a suit & a tie as a rejection of WASPdom is quite a thing!

j.

 

#8 2009-01-15 07:09:45

Tony Ventresca
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#9 2009-01-15 08:22:38

mike
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Re: On the Ontogeny of "Trad"


You love him? He is hephaistion.

 

#10 2009-01-15 11:48:35

Taylor McIntyre
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#11 2009-01-15 11:55:30

mike
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Re: On the Ontogeny of "Trad"


You love him? He is hephaistion.

 

#12 2009-01-15 12:18:58

AQG
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#13 2009-01-15 14:02:53

Tony Ventresca
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#14 2009-01-26 02:44:47

Horace
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""This is probably the last Deb season...because of the stock market, the economy, Everything..." - W. Stillman.

 

#15 2009-01-26 04:38:10

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: On the Ontogeny of "Trad"

And God knows we need that coffin nail by now.

I grow old.

 

#16 2009-01-26 07:56:54

egadfly
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#17 2009-01-26 08:35:09

Taylor McIntyre
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Re: On the Ontogeny of "Trad"

^ And what we all learn a lot from is the need to do all this in the first place.

Trad tells us a lot. But not much of it is about clothes or style.

 

#18 2009-01-27 05:12:08

Matt
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Re: On the Ontogeny of "Trad"

 

#19 2009-01-27 05:32:00

Taylor McIntyre
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#20 2009-01-27 07:55:55

AQG
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Re: On the Ontogeny of "Trad"

The Aldrich on Preppies article now up on Ivy Style is worth reading as it sheds some insight into the transition of Russell's beloved 1965 Ivy into Preppy.  It also gives some startlingly good insight on what is now the Trad movement in forumland.

http://www.ivy-style.com/thirty-years-later-aldrich-on-preppies.html#more-204

 

#21 2009-01-27 09:23:44

Matt
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#22 2009-01-27 10:08:29

Taylor McIntyre
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#23 2009-01-27 10:19:28

Taylor McIntyre
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#24 2009-01-27 11:06:24

Tony Ventresca
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#25 2009-01-27 11:10:07

AQG
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