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#1 2009-03-14 14:13:46

Chris Kavanaugh
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From: Westlake Village California
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Fishback Trousers?

Can someone explain the function or advantages of fishback trouser?s

I've been told they do not effect rise or fit.

I can only surmise some distribution of load bearing with braces, added warmth or?

Bookster offers them as option.

I hope to order a suit, brace buttons only and was wondering.

Last edited by Chris Kavanaugh (2009-03-14 14:14:35)


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#2 2009-03-14 14:29:31

Marc Grayson
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Re: Fishback Trousers?

I don't believe they improve fit and they are not attractive, IMO.  My trousers have brace extensions that do offer an advantage in taking the stress from the braces off the trousers, resulting in a slightly smoother fit in the rear.  Since the fishtail is, in effect, part of the trousers, I don't believe they offer the same advantage.  If it's a choice between fishtails or no fishtails, I'd suggest no fishtails.


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#3 2009-03-14 14:35:00

Film Noir Buff
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Re: Fishback Trousers?

They do affect the rise, anyone who tells you that they do not, is confused.

I have had them and I think they are god awful. My tailor advised me against getting them made and now he is converting them one by one to regular pants. Not an easy operation but I am appreciative because I would have to throw the suits out.  Theyre alright when standing but not for sitting. Also, I think they are waaaay to distracting. I'm talking about a relatively short version. The very long tailed, high back version are precious.

 

#4 2009-03-14 14:35:10

Chris Kavanaugh
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From: Westlake Village California
Posts: 271

Re: Fishback Trousers?

Thanks, it's also a choice between spending money and not.

I like the KISS principle and sometimes options become affectations.


" Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashion. "

G.K. Chesterton

 

#5 2009-03-14 16:03:57

Chris Kavanaugh
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From: Westlake Village California
Posts: 271

Re: Fishback Trousers?

Crosses fishbacks out and pencils in another pocketsquare . Thankyou


" Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashion. "

G.K. Chesterton

 

#6 2009-03-14 18:20:58

Jeeves
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Re: Fishback Trousers?

 

#7 2009-03-14 20:11:23

voxsartoria
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Re: Fishback Trousers?

Trousers are often the stepchild of clothes, but they are more important than you might think if your goal is a harmonious look.

The central decision you have to make is whether you will wear them with suspenders or not.  I don't think there is a middle ground, or any compromise.

There is a look to braced trousers that cannot be replicated otherwise, if if that is what you choose, well, an English back is going to work better.

Ask yourself: is it a suit?  Do you wear your jacket all the time?  Do you crap often?

Yes, yes, and no: fuck the others who have responded already...get the English back.


- B

 

#8 2009-03-14 20:52:34

Chris Kavanaugh
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From: Westlake Village California
Posts: 271

Re: Fishback Trousers?

Would you kindly demonstrate the last suggested act wearing fishbacks?


" Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashion. "

G.K. Chesterton

 

#9 2009-03-14 21:00:26

Marc Grayson
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Re: Fishback Trousers?

Now that I think about it, Raphael did do a fishtail on some sporty trousers, I think because the brace extensions might have looked out of place, but, his design is a very subtle fishtail that is not a highback, the back comes up at a very, very subtle angle.


"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#10 2009-03-14 21:55:52

Jeeves
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Re: Fishback Trousers?

 

#11 2009-03-14 22:00:45

Marc Grayson
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Re: Fishback Trousers?


"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#12 2009-03-15 22:41:59

Horace
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Re: Fishback Trousers?

I think I might've put up a photo of one of my favorite suits -- an A Man suit from about 1990 or 1991 that I had made with a really nice and London Lounge-Heavy Hield fabric.  I got fishmouth/tail/whatever trou and I thought the cut and fit were fantastic.  Maybe the same could be accomplished without the extra backing, but I thought it added to the fit.

Perhaps it's unnecessary, but I've had a few others like it made since.  When I had A Man try to dupe the Cary Grant suit from North, I had it without, of course.  But uh, it didn't occur to me that I wasn't CG.  And it made no diff. in the long run...


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#13 2009-03-15 23:01:13

Bob Loblaw
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Re: Fishback Trousers?

If I am not mistaken, the fishback was de rigeur when suits came with vests as their purpose was to fill in the gap created when sitting.

 

#14 2009-03-15 23:32:16

Chris Kavanaugh
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From: Westlake Village California
Posts: 271

Re: Fishback Trousers?

Maybe I'll get TWO pairs of pants for my suit- one with and one without.
Now there's an idea from the past that should be revived!


" Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashion. "

G.K. Chesterton

 

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