Didn't we play a similar game to this long ago in a different place

Actually - I can't find that thread now!

"Mods & Modernists" by "Dean Street", wasn't it? Back in '06? Not sure.

Rob sure ain't no trad, but a cool cat instead

RS, I get that you're just trying to get the troops riled up to keep discussion alive, so what the heck, it's a lazy Sunday and I have to be at work too, so let's have fun with it.

For the sake of argument, the Curriculum isn't that bad and they're not guilty of half the sins you accuse them of.

The following is a list of things that they seem to be accused which I think are not actually true:

* They spend all their time calling things tradly and worrying about whether things are genuinely tradly or not
* They all wear GTH lime-green whale and anchor prints on everything
* They're a bunch of baggy-bag wearing comfort chasers
* They talk obsessively about their golf green membership accounts

I honestly don't think they care that much about the historical debate and seem to be into the clothing for the sake of the clothing. There's a lot of good stuff on their "what are you wearing" thread too and some of our best contributors contribute over there as well. I think there are differences significant enough to warrant different forums but I've never read their site wagging my head going these guys don't get it. Frankly, I prefer it over here but I always enjoy my occasional visits to their site. I think the interests are different but I really don't think that they suck or that they don't get it.

Ball's in your court.

Last edited by Decline & Fall (2009-03-22 09:41:03)

^^ (To D&F) And who trolled AAAT into being in the first place?

AAAT has a take on all this, so does the Curric., so does Modcult. and they all ultimately pull together when you take a God's eye view.

- The view we take from up here on Mount Ivy!

The take of this forum may or not be as you say. I think we're all maybe a bit too savvy to buy into any one take on this style of ours. We certainly use more debating positions than any other site...

- However, whatever,  we do all enjoy (I hope) all the fun that we've created here & elsewhere.


... One point: You mention the historical debate - That's what AAAT is all about if they are traditionalists. The Curric. talk about "classic clothes & a classic lifestyle" - They're still playing with ideas of traditionalism too.

A traditionalism that they do not represent if you actually know the real tradition.

'Cos it's not called Trad & doesn't have their 'Curriculum'. They're not 'classic' at all. They're revisionists. 'Nowstalgics', even.

Fun, eh?

The talk goes round & round and some good things come out every so often. Which is the point.

Best -

Last edited by Russell_Street (2009-03-22 10:03:01)

You make very good points, Robert - Thanks.

I'm not aware of much Curric. bashing over here. It's the AAAT boys I pick on. Showbiz is showbiz.

I've also originated threads over here for some of the AAAT boys too, but mainly that's all over now as that forum is such a dead duck. The Curric. has all the real action from Andy's now.

- Equally I sometimes post based on  suggestions from Modculturalists. We really are the melting pot for all of this. Only here can you question anything in an uncomfortable way & make it work.

Maybe.

I think it comes from a mindset similar to the fedora lounge, definitely. I think the most delicious irony in all of it is that it plays out on the internet. If you read through the archives of Andyland, especially some of the big times posters you can see they too spent a lot of time trying to work out their identity through "Trad". That's all well and good, but like you said when it starts to become more than an internet lark it gets kind of scary. I post here because I like the posters. I also like what shows up in the Ivy League Style for today pictures. I like that denim, sweatshirts, and all kinds of shoes are accepted and integrated. I like that I've seen Carhartt Jackets, and air-wair soles. To me this forum represents Ivy as it has evolved. The vintage combined with the new to create each posters personal conception of the look. I know I am preaching to the choir here but I can't imagine this board not being the most attractive option to any one who loves the sack suit, plain front pants, Ivy, Americana, etc. unless they just wanted to play dress up with other like minded god-fearing American citizens. Just my opinion, though.

Robert

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