Here's why what I've posted is both regular guy and preppy.  The jeans reqularize it.  Where I live, the man on the street wears a t shirt where the preppy puts on the OCBD.  Run of the mill man has sneakers rather than boat shoes or loafers.  Average dude probably sports no outerwear at all, much less a nautical-colored windbreaker, yet he will never been seen without his foot-sweaters, most likely in white.

Back to those jeans.  Preppy here has to cope with the dread awfulness of business casual from the mid 90s to the mid 00s in which its traditional mainstays, chinos and polo shirts, were co-opted in the most horrible ways.  I am convinced that jeans are, somewhat paradoxically, a large part of the way out of this situation.  If  you swapped them out for chinos in my photo, there'd be no problem, though.  On the 'Peake at this time of year, you're just more likely to see jeans in the marina than chinos.  So, I have to conclude they are the real direction in which this style has moved.

In my junior high days, my father felt it best that I participate in some sort of team sport, under the belief that skateboarding was anti-social and that comic books were nerdy (he wasn't necessarily wrong). Consequently, I was enrolled in the local non-rep community league team. My father was further concerned however that I wasn't making the necessary effort to succeed as a productive member of my community baseball team and so he sought to motivate me. One of his techniques was to yell very loudly at me from the stands. Another technique was to throw the ball very hard at me, when we would play catch, assumedly under the belief that I would get angry and in the process find my inner Jose Conseco.

Needless to say, that didn't happen. Instead, I quit baseball as soon as the opportunity arose and now laugh at a clearly misdirected effort to turn me into a jock.

The point of all this is that people are rarely motivated by constant poking. It's alienating and bothersome. It inspires nonsense like Quay, who otherwise seems a productive poster on the other forums, signing up here to go on the attack sounding like an 18th century pirate. I don't think I've seen any one respond to the constant trad-attacks by stepping up their game.

Rather, I think it stops people who would probably otherwise join this forum from doing so b/c they don't want to get caught up in a big and silly and CLEARLY INTERNET driven war that for my part doesn't appear to have as clear of lines as we may think.

Mr. G's monkee is easy as long as you're buying.

oh fuck - you mean i bought that bowtie for nothing ?

gomie