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#1 2008-07-10 09:49:03
- mike
- Member
- From: Covington, KY
- Posts: 1397
Labor or Tory?
Most of the 'Trads' posting are out loud conservatives. Does the same hold true for Ivy fans or is there more diversity. Are you Labor or Tory, Liberal or Conservative, Democrat or Republican. Or something else maybe? Green - ? soacialist - ?
As for our little family we're in the far left Democratic blue section.
What about you?
You love him? He is hephaistion.
#2 2008-07-10 10:22:15
- Taylor McIntyre
- Son of Ivy...
- Posts: 342
Re: Labor or Tory?
Does it matter?
"Trad" is a Conservative thing on the whole in the US, but Patrick is no Republican & others too I'm sure.
Politics in London, Paris & Tokyo are different to the US so you really can't compare.
Ivy is maybe more for kinda creative people outside the Conservative US - More than that I couldn't say.
Last edited by Russell_Street (2008-07-10 10:23:38)
#3 2008-07-10 10:42:15
- Hard Bop Hank
- Ivy Soul Brother
- From: land of a 1000 dances
- Posts: 4923
Re: Labor or Tory?
I will not vote.Period. It is just like the National Lottery IMO, I mean, the function of elections... Waste of time.. Elections would be forbidden, if they could really change something. Politicians are usually a bunch of bad actors and I despise them. Honestly, I would even prefer watching bad actors, because bad acting can be funny... and politics are too serious for that...
I am not conservative, I am not liberal, I am not labour, I am not "green"...I am not sure if I am even a democrat... I am also not a communist or a fascist, or a political anarchist, I am not a "reactionary" (monarchist or whatever) and I have no "progressive" vision of a utopian society of some sort...
(Yet, I am "conservative" (certain values, aesthetical ideas....) plus, "the conservatives are for the rich! who does not want to be rich?" (Marc Feld)
Yet, I love my liberties... Am I a libertin?)
Yet, I can always see the point in the basic ideas that these "ideologies" are based on.
I don't believe in any "ism", quoting freely from the movie "Ferris Bueller's day off"... I only believe in my beautiful self...
Sounds pretty apolitical and egotistical, but it probably isn't... I do have opinions, occasionally at least... I hate those people who always think they must have an opinion, even if they don't know jack shit about something...
For example, I would never even try to voice or even have an opinion about Israel/ Palestine or the Northern Ireland conflict...
I am neither "extreme" in my views, nor "moderate"... I will not indulge in any bullshit about the radicals, because radical solutions can be the right choice (theoretically, at least). Politics, however, is all about compromise. I am not interested in compromise- because I am always right! The majority can be stupid, at least averagely stupid, and they are easily misled.... There is also such a thing as a foul compromise...and the problem of lobbyism...
Hence, I can not identify with any political party and I am also not a political activist, of course...
It's all so phony...
On the other hand, I do not really strongly oppose our political system(s)... They can never really work perfectly (like a dictatorship), but they still might be the best (unlike a dictatorship)...but I do not believe that this one is a be-all,end-all thing, this Fukuyama-shit about the end of history... And I am also sure, I would not like to live in a theocratical society...I prefer hardcore capitalism;-)
I guess, though, in the US I might be voting for Baraq H. Osama... I think his brushing off shoulders move will catch quite a few young voters....
Wow, I guess, you cannot put me in some sort of category....
Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)
Walt Whitman, "Song of Myself"
US poet (1819 - 1892)
Last edited by Hard Bop Hank (2008-07-10 10:45:54)
“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"
#4 2008-07-10 10:57:08
- Moose Maclennan
- Ivy Inspiration
- From: Hernando's Hideaway
- Posts: 4577
Re: Labor or Tory?
^
C'mon Hank, surely you could be a little less taciturn 
#5 2008-07-10 11:04:39
- mike
- Member
- From: Covington, KY
- Posts: 1397
Re: Labor or Tory?
Last edited by mike (2008-07-10 11:15:30)
You love him? He is hephaistion.
#6 2008-07-10 11:05:00
- Hard Bop Hank
- Ivy Soul Brother
- From: land of a 1000 dances
- Posts: 4923
Re: Labor or Tory?
“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"
#9 2008-07-10 11:20:13
- Hard Bop Hank
- Ivy Soul Brother
- From: land of a 1000 dances
- Posts: 4923
Re: Labor or Tory?
Last edited by Hard Bop Hank (2008-07-10 11:21:47)
“No Room For Squares”
”All political art is bad – all good art is political.”
"Would there be any freedom of press or speech if one must reduce his vocabulary to vapid innocuous euphemisms?"
#10 2009-04-11 11:58:28
- chetmiles
- Member
- Posts: 1099
Re: Labor or Tory?
Labour... Conservative... how unhip... Not even going to mention the other lot... Obama's all wind and piss, like Jimmy Carter.
My political heroes: Harry Truman, Reagan, Sarkozy (for daring not to resort to bullshit), and I will always have a soft spot for Michael Foot. Stalin had a sense of humour, and Goebbels was a crackpot little genius...
Politicians, though, all pale into insignificance beside black trumpet players sporting pale green shirts...
#12 2009-04-11 13:51:45
- Taylor McIntyre
- Son of Ivy...
- Posts: 342
Re: Labor or Tory?
Trads are the most Trad Cat food. Cats everywhere love chewing them up.
#14 2009-04-14 04:33:20
- Gibson Gardens
- Ivy Author
- Posts: 873
Re: Labor or Tory?
Let's not bring politics into this - it matters too much. I mean when I read Chetmiles' posts about clothes I'm just with him all the way. I'm in his grip, he's pressing all the right buttons, articulating all of my unspoken fantasies. But his views on architecture perturbed me (I see incredibly clear parallels between the aesthetics of 20th century design and architecture and the clothes we all love), and his declared admiration for Reagan and Sarkozy has to be a wind-up. I fear he admires traditional notions of uncompromising masculinity a little too much. Men who think and talk too much, and who believe in compromise and reason, like Carter and Obama, are called 'wind and piss'. I think it's a Northern thing and believe me I understand this, I come from Liverpool, and was immersed in this culture from birth until my escape to London at the age of 21, phew... All male role models I now look towards are decidedly non-macho. I stare at the sleeve of the MJQ/Jimmy Giuffre album 'At the Music Inn' and lose myself in the sounds and the image, imagining myself into a micro-world of madras and Milt's vibes and Jimmy's clarinet. A major part of the appeal of these clothes and this music to me was that it for 'a different type of person' and I wanted to be a different kind of person.
GG
#15 2009-04-14 04:46:53
- chetmiles
- Member
- Posts: 1099
Re: Labor or Tory?
GG, you're right - it begins to sound pompous and it ain't really relevant to our groove. Nuff said?
#18 2009-05-23 09:05:55
- Ian Strachan's Raincoat
- Member
- Posts: 521
Re: Labor or Tory?
Tory, if I must. Labour have got to be kicked out for all sorts of reasons. Their complete disregard for basic civil liberties is just one of them. Their avarice, pig ignorance, lack of moral standards and hypocrisy are a selection of the others. I'd rather not vote at all. It's like a stark choice between eating calves brains and tripe doused in vinegar. As E.L. Wisty used to say: "Fuck 'em".
#19 2009-05-23 10:06:04
- Kingstonian
- Member
- From: sea to shining sea
- Posts: 3205
Re: Labor or Tory?
To answer the OP question, UK Tory dress aspiration would usually be Savile Row or UK country clothes. Ivy would not be the thing.
Tony Benn(Labour left wing) used to wear button down collars in the 60s when he was a minister. I think Ivy in the UK would have been for trendies - media types, architects, ad men. Establishment types would look elsewhere.
Liberals had a beard and sandals image so not really Ivy either.
#20 2009-05-23 10:11:19
- Ian Strachan's Raincoat
- Member
- Posts: 521
Re: Labor or Tory?
The last time I clapped eyes on Tony Benn, K - in the flesh, in the flesh - he was wearing some kind of rumpled blue anorak - to show he was a bit of a prole on the QT, I suppose. I had no idea about the button-down shirts, I have to admit. But if Tory equals country then Tory equals Sloane, and that's close enough to certain aspects of Ivy for me.
I wonder if Nick Griffin has seen that rather nice picture of Adolf Hitler with a superb roll on his collar?
#21 2009-05-24 03:07:58
- The Ace Face
- Member
- Posts: 613
Re: Labor or Tory?
Nick Griffin, an absolute traitor, should be dancing on the gallows at Tyburn. Odd how they call themselves "British" and "Nationalists" when actually, their true allegiance is to Nazism.
What of Kenneth Clarke, the best Tory leader we never had - digs modern jazz and wears Hush Puppies? Hush Puppies - Ivy?
Tony Benn, gave up the title, but not the money. Typical champage swirling socialist.
One thing for sure, the Brits need to oust the present cronies tossing it off in London. A disgrace, the vast majority of them. Those who have shown integrity and honesty, of whatever political persuasion, deserve to be voted back in a government of national unity. The rest shoud be turned into donkeys, like the unfortunates on Pleasure Island in Pinnochio. You've had your fun......
There's a certain Tory MP style, blue shirt and yellow ties.
Last edited by The Ace Face (2009-05-24 03:17:04)
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