/\ Disagreement is fine if people can still be empathic to the other persons point of view, even if they don't hold it. But when people start to shout down others just coz they think they are right or because they can. Well then its a bit crap!

Jim, I don't think a lot of people on here want to be happy clappy and in agreement about everything. I just think they wanna work it through in a more informed way, and I include myself in that category.

Which is why I relish our spats - Show me the bust up on here which hasn't been positive?

We even kicked out old "Russell" !

Not a fan of discussions about discussions. University left me with that feeling, can't help it. OK one more thing then - I agree (can I do that please?) that disagreement provided for some of the best threads.

But the best moments I've had on here were when I recognized certain people's take on all this. When I read Jesmond's almost poetic remarks on the bliss of small-rib-on-big-rib patterns in the most pared down of outfits, it blew my mind in agreement. Just one example. Russell had me cheering behind my lappy as well, on the scarce moments he talked style.

Yes, welcome to these fine boards sir. Alex and myself send our greetings from the Netherlands.

Do you/does your raincoat have tire marks all over you/it?