Last edited by Sissy (2009-05-12 18:41:55)
Noblesse Oblige
Last edited by NJS (2009-05-13 06:12:56)
I find it extraordinary that the Duke of Windsor elicits such fanatical smearing, from some people. It's at the level of iGentry/GOP gibberish that I expect from the late, unlamented Mantoni (and mini-Manton, when he gets going). Even the National Enquirer would never stoop to repeating such shameless, unthinking nonsense.
Why is the Duke hated so much?
Because he quit his job to marry the woman he loved?
It should be noted, that at the time he abdicated, most Brits were supportive of him, or at least accepting of his choices, but it was the entrenched elites, including some of the Royals and of course the Archbishop, who engineered the abdication by cornering him. He was poorly, indeed treacherously, served by his private secretary, Lascelles, who advised him one way while advising his younger brother and government another way (and who then went on to poison the Margaret/Townshend affair using the same combination of duplicity and animosity).
Maybe he is hated so much because he was more stylish and appealing than any of his detractors, modern and contemporary, can ever hope to be? Is that the key to this?
Excellent posts NJS and Formby. I always suspected some kind of dominatrix quality in Mrs Simpson, she treated him like dirt because that was part of the deal. I read recently, and I cannot remember where, possibly in a dreadful book on Dennis Wheatley's war exploits that the Duke was in fact a double agent feeding misinformation to his chums in Nazi Germany. His influence is still felt today, probably most notably, in Italian fashion houses.
His use of tweeds and checks had a clown like aspect and were not the done thing. He was too overt and overtop to ever influence the reliable subtlety and sheer class of classic English tailoring.
Last edited by The Ace Face (2009-05-13 14:22:15)
Hello everyone. Can we discuss the Duke's style?
Tony spent some time putting together images for us to discuss clothes and not what bad political choices he made. If we tried everyone's character first to determine whether our style was worth talking about it might be a dead board.
Anyway we have a couple of outlet and rant threads already. If you feel the need to derail every thread with jibber jabber, then take it to one of the forums where they dont even discuss clothes anymore.
Thank you.
Was it Marc (correct me if I'm wrong) who posted about the shoddy quality of some of the Duke's garments that were displayed in some museum?
From the photographic evidence, his pants were somewhat baggy. Suitable for breaking out into a tap dancing routine straight out of a Gene Kelly musical. I have slagged the Duke off, but I do have at least one Pal Zileri suit that has more than a nod and a wink to the DOW. The mistake I made was to wear it to a job interview.
Tailoring now, even compared to the 50's is much more refined. The Duke had the time and cash to achieve the best tailoring, if his stitching was half-arsed, what of the commoner? Unless, he specifically requested this, as the calling card of a man of leisure, could possibly be.
Ah yes, "drape" that was a word so elusive, yet so distinctively right for his sartorial art. The best I could come up with was "baggy", oh well, I do like Madness. Indeed, you are correct, why are we judging his style - literally - and in a present day context, when we don't judge Lord Byron by modern day readings of his poetry (which don't stand up, I can assure you) yet we are inspired by his legend. The essence - reinterpreted, emulated and redefined, is his relevance and influence to the sartorial here and now.
Last edited by The Ace Face (2009-05-15 14:36:42)
I want to add that i think most men suffer from anxiety with clothes which is why it's such a uniform and especially in the case of suits a traditional one. There's some sort of pull between elements of a triangle which could be labelled along its sides "Propriety" "Dandyism" and "Sexuality".
Depending on which side of the triangle is longest it will determine what kind of dresser you are.
Of course each basic side covers a multitude of sub mixes that contribute to the length of a side. For example, Propriety includes such elements as cleanliness, decency, control by the state, interest in the status quo, concern with affluence and class, going along with the group, solidity of character, dignity, gravitas, authoritas etc, etc.. and so on.
Now the Duke's Dandy side probably was quite long in relation to his other sides partially because he was secure or really didnt care, which is actually what people admire, not the physical manifestation of his every clothes choice.