Fascinating guys the Erteguns - there's a good book there! They mixed Ivy and Savile Row effortlessly and just had the ultimate record label (yes yes l know Led Zep etc but as with all friends you have to look at them with one eye shut). Chris - apologies for connection problems whilst I was in Italy. Let's meet up for a chat in the Bar soon - long overdue.
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Bump for chetmiles displaying enthusiasm and ignorance here in equal measure. He hasn't changed much in the intervening years.
Seems apposite just at the moment.
Just thinking about Mike Nichols, I was living in a draughty room in Greater Manchester between 1981 and 1983, reading until my eyes almost popped out of my head. A cheap paperback had come my way, featuring a chapter on Mike Nichols when an impoverished student (I was simply impoverished). Not only, when hungry, had he stolen a cheese, he'd been reduced to eating a jar of mustard. The interviewer asked him: 'How do you eat a jar of mustard?' 'Very slowly... and very painfully' was Nichols' answer. At least it was only peanut butter I was eating out of a jar when funds ran low.
I’d never heard of Mike Nichols until your post.
Somebody new to check out.
That’s why I love this forum.It’s like further education in hip.
Just off to Chiltern Street.Waiting for the train akin to being a kid on Christmas Eve.
Mike Nichols - director of a handful (like John Schlesinger) of great movies, including 'The Graduate' - was also associated with the great Elaine May. Very, very NYC cool. Nicholas grew up near Central Park, I think. The family were Russian Jews so I'm guessing there was a name change somewhere along the way.
I used to take an early train to Russell Street, sometimes on a Monday morning, spend up and be back on the northbound train by two o'clock. Happy days.
Chiltern Street is conveniently situated for rail travel. The Man Himself might be around if you're lucky.
I posted the original years ago. Nothing has happened to change my point of view and I've since acquired Jewish relatives.
I'll take that as the clarification I requested. Or the closest I'll get.
Right. Now fuck off.
No offence but your attempts at being aggressive are a bit shit. Don't ever get a job as a bouncer.
‘Jews have always served WASPS as tailors, bankers and lawyers.’ I’m sure I’m reading this in a way that wasn’t intended by the author- but in a thread about ‘contributions’, it seems especially odd. Once again, I’m sure it was just poorly phrased.
I was a bit baffled at the time, J. Didn't mean to be brusque, though. Might have been nice to have had a comment about Jews serving other Jews, whether tailoring or, say, food and drink. Maybe I was overegging the pudding. Not my intention.
I don’t think you said it. Unless you changed your screen name here? Also, I’m not easily offended - and on subjects like this I don’t know if I’m “offendable?? ; I tend to think people are prone to missteps. I am. I’m old school fallible.
I'm certainly prone to missteps - or, as we call it in England, 'dropping a bollock'.
Talking from a Jewish perspective - about Jews Serving WASPS – let me clarify something oft overlooked. We are a minority. Pure and simple.
For any business to gain critical mass you need volume and in the case of a Jewish business that means serving the majority - who in a number of countries we're all familiar with means at the very least WASP's or the wider Christian community. I haven't got a problem with this. And I don't know of anyone who is Jewish who would have a problem.
Many successful businesses that were started by Jews are successful not because they're owned or fraternised by a Jewish cliental but because they have appeal.
Where I do have a massive issue is when gentiles put us all in the same bag. You know the nonsense about owning the media, finance, the global cabal rubbish or the nonsense spouted about assimilation.IE We all change our names to blend in rubbish.
A Jewish joke that highlights what we're really like - What do you get if you put three Jews together in a room - 4 opinions
^ I've been listening again to Woody's nightclub CD. Sounds like the kind of joke he might have come up with.
What’s the difference between Jews and Germans?
Germans just love Klezmer music!
I think it was just the phrasing…maybe my point becomes more understandable if you replace another minority’s name and state that they were “always serving wasps?? or “________?? (fill in the blank.) And it’s reductionist to lump all Jews as servile tailors, bankers and lawyers. Einstein, Gershwin and Chagall beg to differ!
But yes, obviously, minority businesses often cater to the majority.
Jdemy, don't apologise. There was/is nothing subservient about our Mr. Simons. Mr.Simons has chutzpah and to spare. As TwoRussellStreet has said elsewhere, few gentlemen in England now would be having these online conversations had it not been for the single-minded vision of The King Of Belsize Park. As for Einstein, he gave me some problems when I was studying Astronomy in my first year at university. Gershwin - I dig him, man. Chagall - I need to read a decent biography.
I'll take 'The Joys Of Yiddish' in the meanwhile...
jdemy,
I take no offence being linked to tailors. A most noble profession.
Bankers and lawyers? Heaven forbid. I can't think of two more boring ways to spend your waking hours. Apologies to the many I've probably just offended.
Growing up my parents would of liked me to work in a bank. Jdemy British high streets used to be full of banks that offered amazing job security and exceptionally good pay for a very short working week. I ran a mile from their wishes into the world of advertising that's actually quite a Jewish business - more so in the States than here.
There is a Jewish stereotype that sport is not their thing.
However I've been doing some background reading/research on the East End of London and I was initially surprised to find out how dominant Jewish boxers were at one time. Similarly in Brooklyn NY. The immigrants were poor and they literally fought their way out of poverty.
Yep. My relative was a Major League Baseball player.
I can think of at least one member of the 1966 English World Cup Squad who at least had Jewish ancestry. As Robbie says, it's a stereotype. Yet another.