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#1 2009-05-21 18:13:27

NJS
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Fat ladies and politics

It is interesting that, although we might, apparently, expect to be treated to pictures of fat ladies merrily cavorting and models in micro-bikinis stretching their fetching limbs, a reasoned consideration of the Dook's claim to fame as a style-leader is interdit because reflections upon his career smack of 'politics'. I am unconvinced that the shiny jackboot of suppression should really crush reasoned debate in relation to his posthumous claim to fame as the first man of modern style. Tony Ventresca seems able to take care of himself - so why the ring of steel around him and the Dook? I've said before and I say again, that there is a good deal to derive from Wales-Windsor's dress sense (my book mentions him several times and includes illustrations of him and one outfit in the Met. Museum) - but the title of the thread was fated to raise hackles because true style is about so much more than having fine clothes and wearing them well - after all Goering was sartorially resplendent but few would hold him to be an icon of style. Wales-Windsor abandoned his sacred duty as king and emperor; Churchill even had to consider a Court Martial to get him back from occupied France. It is unreasonable to put W-W up as a paragon of excellence without expecting to meet resistance from those who have studied his life. After the Governorship of the Bahamas he did nothing except devote himself to living the life of Reilly and selling his celebrity as the man who had been king; bucked the system and bunked off. Sorry to press the point but locking the thread instead of letting it develop, according to majority opinion of any members who wish to address the actual issue, is just puerile. There is little doubt that the thread would develop into some consideration of his sartorial sense but against the background that there are several members who just don't admire the man enough to vote him in a true style-leader. No one denies the effort that Tony Ventrsca put into scanning the pictures and they do have a great  interest to which I, for one, hope that we might turn. However, why, on earth should there not be mention of others who are just as important as the Dook and more interesting (or admirable) as people? And, for the avoidance of doubt, FU2 is not a reply, is it?

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#2 2009-05-21 18:39:03

Chris Kavanaugh
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Re: Fat ladies and politics

The bottom line - and .com fees, is this is FNB's website and he gets to make the rules unless we all chip in and buy a free speech center with red and black anarchist banners waving in the sun.
I do like it here. The place seems to be a Tortuga island of pirates exiled by the royal governor  Sir  Andrew of the BBR and his chambermaid whore Malinda.
But I do feel frustrated at wanting more answers, not even knowing the proper questions:If indeed either really exist or the answer is Louis Armstrong replying about jazz music.


" Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashion. "

G.K. Chesterton

 

#3 2009-05-21 18:45:30

NJS
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#4 2009-05-21 19:16:51

Chris Kavanaugh
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Re: Fat ladies and politics

The problem is not unlike defining art. An artist photographs nude men staring at dog poo on the sidewalk and the art museum, state governor and Woodie Allen all chime in on what is 'Art.'  the conservative patrons withdraw funding, District Attorney  initiates investigations into the artist's morallity and possible criminal charges if one model proves 3 days short of 18 or something.
So, who decides what falls within the realm of clothing and locker room banter about naked girls VS
Free Speech that could be anything and everything until the forum looks like a L.A. freeway sound wall covered in graffiti only a LAPD gang unit member can translate from a stopped patrol car?
I have moderated a website for almost 8 years, most of it alone with the owner and a recent additonal mod. It isn't an easy task, sometimes I have to censor myself or comments I am in agreement with.


" Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashion. "

G.K. Chesterton

 

#5 2009-05-21 19:22:07

NJS
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Not the Little Guy! Leave Him alone...

 

#6 2009-05-21 20:17:08

Cruz Diez
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^ Those fat ladies likely got a generous check for posing for the photographer and probably got a kick out of it so I don't see why anyone should be offended.

 

#7 2009-05-21 20:33:44

NJS
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#8 2009-05-21 21:20:14

Film Noir Buff
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#9 2009-05-21 21:29:51

The_Shooman
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#10 2009-05-22 09:34:42

NJS
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#11 2009-05-22 09:45:03

Chris Kavanaugh
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From: Westlake Village California
Posts: 271

Re: Fat ladies and politics

" It ain't over till the fatlady sings." Maybe, but it is for me. I worry about actors who play Mission Impossible characters  then Vulcans and spend their later days photographing ruebenesque ladies on steroi...Krafts macaroni. I'm more of a Jack Palance kind of guy. I miss Jack. He  was a marvelous
artist in nude oils and abstracts in his own right. he forever locked his screen personae with the deliberate and slow dismount from his horse in SHANE. The in joke though, is Palance at that time had never been on a horse and was scared stiff- hence the slow dismount. Later Palance became a pretty good rider and left us with a quote appropos to this thread " You people worry about a lot of crap."


" Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashion. "

G.K. Chesterton

 

#12 2009-05-22 12:14:38

Film Noir Buff
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#13 2009-05-22 12:40:37

Taylor McIntyre
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My mop is rarely dry these days too...   wink

Courage! 

I can't help feeling that you are winning...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWwfvs4rYZE

 

#14 2009-05-22 12:42:56

NJS
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#15 2009-05-22 12:47:31

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#16 2009-05-22 12:54:35

Taylor McIntyre
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#17 2009-05-22 12:58:57

Chris Kavanaugh
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From: Westlake Village California
Posts: 271

Re: Fat ladies and politics

Hands over mouth- NJS I am your father. You have no idea the power of the trad side. Join me, my son and we will end this BBR madness and rule together.


" Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashion. "

G.K. Chesterton

 

#18 2009-05-22 17:41:17

NJS
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I cannot possibly reply to all my fans individually - but I'd just like to say that it is a privilege to be allowed to roam through someone else's virtual yard, in which there are so many fish, just sitting there in their barrels, waiting for the fishmonger to assess whether they are ripe enough for market. I once worked with a lovely girl whose best assessment of me was "You could irritate for England". It is a pity that the particular thread is locked (presumably for fear of futher debate) - because I'd just like to see someone throw that rattle more more time.

 

#19 2009-05-22 17:43:00

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#20 2009-05-22 18:20:38

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