Speaking of both: I seem to remember a story about Scott in Hemingway's A Movable Feast. Something about his Brooks Brothers suits and being warned not to wear certain striped ties around the English expats in Paris.

There's a long list of 'obvious' names which I think we've fought rather shy of over here since the Trads claimed them as their own a while back & they looked a bit 'tainted' to us after all that.

Fitzgerald and O'Hara were certainly no Trads - O'Hara especially would have sneered his head off at AAAT & Harris' poor scholarship when compared to his own snobbery. Fitzgerald also in his different way can't be claimed by them either when you look at his life - No Alan C. he.

We really ought to claim all these guys back. They are fuck all to do with Trad.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c2/John_ohara.jpg

Just reflecting here a little.  Interesting that O'Hara's name and image should have cropped up again.  I began reading him because a then-favourite, John Braine, liked him, and I thought reading at least two unfashionable authors after years of Sartre, Camus, Burroughs, Salinger, Kerouac et al. couldn't be bad.  Now, who could stand as a better illustration of a certain type of east coast Ivy snobbishness?  Possibly because he was deeply uncertain of himself (at least, that's the way I remember it).  My guess is he would have deplored his 'style' falling into the hands of movie stars and Madison Avenue advertising executives, and I imagine he would have remained blissfully unaware of any English involvement.  I think he would have approved of Saville Row, in an Evelyn Waugh-ish kind of way (Brideshead?), because of its exclusive nature.  I don't recall seeing him tieless in too many publicity pictures, though he probably slobbed around his noiseless typewriter a little.  But he seems to have been a three piece and brogues man most of the time: a direction in which I hope to be moving after my 50th birthday this year, and marking a partial return to the 'Young Fogey' look I had twenty years ago: all battered tweed and tan Loakes.