Someone mentioned this to me at a record store of all places but apparently Bass is at least making some Weejuns in Maine again. The price reflects this compared to the made in warmer climes versions..Kind of interesting.
https://bassshoes.harborghb.com/bass-signature-men
Check out the "Jeffrey" model.
EDIT: Now that I think about it, I think these have been mentioned elsewhere some time ago. They were made as special editions for some shop in New York or something and are now available through the new Bass website. Not positive if its the same shoe but something about them seems familiar.
Last edited by ScarletStreet (2009-06-24 21:34:28)
I'd be very happy to pay more for Made in Maine. Hathaways from Waterville & Eastlands from Freeport, etc.
Edit: In fact for the English crew (and the Ivy Minet boys in Paris way back when) the 'Made in the USA' label was a very important part of the whole thing. The clothes had to be imported & you had to know where to get them. Ivy was for everyone and all that, but if you actually had the real stuff then it marked you out with those who knew. Obscurity was also valued - A Tattersall BD from The Crimson Shop when nobody else had one was something worth having.
Last edited by Russell_Street (2009-06-25 01:41:52)
This is a new Weejun and from what I understand - - there will be a cordovan model coming soon. I think it's great Bass has done this and hopefully this return to US manufacture will not go unnoticed by LL Bean and others. I think they've finally figured out how they can get the same obscene profit margins they had off shore just by selling US made quality.
I was thinking the same thing after seeing the limited sizes and realizing why the middle of the strap seemed to have something lodged in it...I am not sure where TinTin got his info. Maybe he could fill us in...
A good source told me. Plus, check out the sole of the Bass. That's a dead ringer for Highland made Polo shoes. The copy also implies it's a new model. I have an email into them requesting more.
That new loafer is heinous.
The Gilman looks OK but why the crappy, sub-Gucci glove leather? Would it be too much to ask them to produce a US made facsimile of the classic Leavitt Penny in a decent-ish calf leather in the traditional colour?
The Bass response:
Thanks for your email. Currently, we have the Jeffrey Weejun available on our
site which is made in the USA. We are also working on some new Weejuns made in
the USA. These will be available in the fall.
Regards,
Jason Lazar
VP, Bassshoes.com
Thanks for the update tintin..
I know you English have a stick up your ass, but I still think I'd go with the Alden's for about the same price. I bet the quality's a lot better.
Mr. Graham Marsh, the great Anglo Ivy-ist, wears the Alden and wears it well I am told by the great John Gall, my generation & location's greatest Ivy evangelist.
In fact such is Mr. Marsh's love that he dresses cats in Aldens in his soon-to-be-published children's book.
Lover as I am of American style, I love the American styled loafer, not the English styled loafer of Alden. But that's just me. I have my quirks. Aesthetically I go for the pie-crust gathering of leather around the toe which marks out the American style.
Alden's quality is undoubtedly fab. Bass' is not. Bills baggy-assed khakis are no doubt good quality too, with their heavy duty zipper and all, whilst Uniqlo's are to be worn and discarded on a whim...
STYLE is what gets me out of bed in the morning and I find that Bass & Uniqlo have 'The Look' for me far more so that Alden & Bills very 'so what?' offerings.
^ Although I must say that I won't be buying any of the new Bass loafers, especially that God-awful Dover.
Russell
I think you're being way too harsh on the Alden loafer to describe it as an 'English-style' shoe. The Crockett & Jones Harvard cordovan handsewn is a textbook example of an English take on the American loafer. The Alden shoe couldn't be more American.
The stitching between the top and sides on the Weejun was always the point at which they would break, even the relatively high-quality pairs of twenty-five years ago. As this was not merely a case of stitching coming undone they couldn't be economically repaired and were rendered useless. Fine when there was a seemingly endless production, but disappointing when faced with the non-USA made shoes, which are simply not worth the money no matter how cheaply they are sold.
Once the Alden (particularly the unlined, made for Brooks version) moulds to the shape of the foot it is far superior in every department (particularly in looks) to any Bass loafer, made in USA or not.
I can understand you having reservations about them as they seem to be the very symbol of i-Gent fixation, but if you look beyond that you will discover a beautiful shoe.
I'm only talking style. I happen to like the American look. Alden make an All American shoe in the English style & make it well, I have no doubt.
Loafers are either English, American, Italian or hybrid in style. I just happen to like the American look.
The C&J Harvard loafer is actually in the English style, btw. The American style is only a dressy Moc., hence the pucker at the toe which in the UK you mainly see on sheepskin slippers.
http://www.shoes.shoppingsection.co.uk/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=218&Category_Code=
The best I can offer you then is to meet you half way & call it a hybrid (which I think I have in the past when Tony V. & I used to chat about these things). None of this is any big deal anyway as English style shoes in the Ivy look go way back - Peal at Brooks for example. I just happen to like that Weejun-y 'Moc.' look.
Brogues are another area where you get American style & English style and I happen to like the clunky American version best. Probably, as with the loafers, it's because they have that different look to what I grew up with which shifts them into the magic kingdom of 'The Other', which is always attractive to me.
An American BD is like that for me also when compared to an English or Italian version.
Those Aldens you posted look great, btw. It's just that for me they don't look 'different' enough to set my pulse racing. I've seen so many English style loafers & (even worse) bad English attempts at an American loafer that the whole genre is more than a little 'blah' for me. The latest stinkers I spotted were in Ducker's in Oxford - A highly respected place - They'd combined a tassel with a beefroll to produce a real mixed-up masala.
I'd rather go with that Paul Stuart Cordo Weejun copy if I wanted to piss that kind of money away, or my beloved Fairmount Cordos from Frogland.
Dull old world if we all liked the same stuff, eh?
Last edited by Russell_Street (2009-06-29 00:49:36)
The Stuart's:
http://www.paulstuart.com/product_info.cfm?ProdID=1709&ProdCatId=1008&MainCatId=14&HEADERMENUID=1&SUBPRODCATID=0
Those are nice. I am surprised some of the trads didn't go for those with the price similarity between those and the LHS, all though the Alden worship is strong. For what it's worth I have two pairs of Aldens in Shell. The Plain toed blucher and the Longwing. I think excepting NOS Florsheim it doesn't get any better in these two styles. I am in agreement with RS about the Weejun style loafers though. For me the design is hard to beat. As stated before I prefer the beefroll, that's why the "Jeffrey" caught my eye. I don't think anyone would seriously consider the Dover worthy of being in the conversation. Well maybe that Bass PR person who tried to blow the GQ smoke up The Weejun's (our departed friend with the sorely missed blog) ass about them.
It ain't much, but it's home:
http://men.style.com/images/upgrader/style/products/loafers/bass_h.jpg
Maybe I should of changed my original statement about the Dover to "any one worth considering". I don't always agree with you RS but we are of one mind on the Alden loafer.
EDIT: I also read CC's take on the style of Davis and Evans. I am not sure I would use the word chortled but the articles were certainly a joke.
Last edited by ScarletStreet (2009-06-29 02:14:17)
I find that I often laugh to prevent myself from crying.
The Alden LHS is certainly an option when it comes to keeping your feet dry, but the idea that it is some kind of Holy Grail needs to be looked at a little I think.
Mmmmmmm -" Ivy-Style":
http://www.onlineshoes.com/productpage.asp?gen=m&pcid=157650&adtrack=lsh&term=men%27s+bass+dover&offer=
Last edited by Russell_Street (2009-06-29 02:36:55)
Well, the Dover is certainly 'in the Amercian style' according to your criteria, Russ. As is a Gucci horsebit, by extension, and indeed the Clarks Wallabee.
We'll never agree on this, so I'd like to move on.
Bottom line is that Bass shoes aren't what they once were. A crying shame.