i'm no doubt gonna get shouted at for this but ... ask him if he ever wrote that book about child abuse that he used as an excuse for surfing kiddie porn
^Yes indeed, now fuck off onto another topic, this one is for 'Oorible 'Oo fans only. Quadrophenia the double album, ah, the work of true genius.
If you ever purchase any of the live DVD's of The Who or Townsend, there's always some excellent interviews included as extras. Always inciteful, interesting perspectives on dear old Blighty in the last 60 years.
Fuck, this thread has improved while I was down the curry house!
I've no input now apart from saying that I admire all of your input.
Now I shall go and do another one of my bullshit threads just to lower the tone once more!
Best -
The more I see of the 60s - including their pop groups: The Who, The Stones, The Small Faces - the more horrible it seems. Who was mostly to blame? Brian Epstein? Loog Oldham? Meaden? Lambert? Arden? Horrible and self-indulgent. The gear. The drugs. Dylan with his fucking light-bulb. Even Miles went wavy towards the end. It begins to make me feel kindly even about Dave Brubeck - the biggest fraud of them all.
Why is Dave Brubeck so loathed? I dig jazz and I dig Brubeck, even his "Bossa Nova USA" album.
Moon was just another guise of the archetypal trickster figure, we won't see his kind in the rock world again, god bless him. There was meant to be a Moon film in development years back, never came to nothing, a bit like Kerouac's On the Road. And I won't believe that film's in the can until its 'effing released.
Now I have to get off the computer and listen to some Chico Hamilton whilst the missis does some studying malarkey.
Brubeck was a smart faker, that's all. Paul Desmond is a different matter. Brubeck was artsy - although not in quite the same way as, say, Freddie Hubbard or Chico Hamilton (as experienced in 'JOASD'). He was also - although unlike Armstrong - a pop musician. Don't get me wrong, Armstrong was awful when he succumbed to that temptation later in his career. Above all, Brubeck was fucking boring - an unforgiveable crime for any jazz musician.
Not as fucking boring as Ornette Coleman, or Art Ensemble of Chicago on a bad day/trip. Still, not as boring as Take 5, wot? Wake up and smell the coffee, its fucking A, cool modernism.
Armstrong - now, let me tell you this, all can be forgiven for the following:
1) Potato Head Blues
2) Big Butter and Egg Man
3) Melancholy
4) St. James Infirmary
5) Struttin' with Some Barbecure
Agreed: Coleman, Ayler, Shepp. 'Take Five' was a novelty record. Early Armstrong is unbeatable.
The best thing about Brubeck was Desmond. How insipid did he sound without him?
"Gladys Brubeck" joints the fray from BTS:
"IMO BD was guilty of three, maybe a couple more things:
1. He was white
2. Middle Class
3. Played accessable classically based Jazz
4. No obvious addictions.
1. I blame his parents.
2. I blame his parents.
3. Parents again for making him study Classical music. Good damn you Mr and Mrs Brubeck.
4. I have to blame Dave for that one.
He was a stepping stone for a lot folk getting into more complex Modern Jazz. Credit to him. He didn't put a gun to anyones head to buy or like his music. It just happened.
The guy is 89 and sired and talented sons. Which is a rare in Jazz.
Perhaps if he had died at 30 with a needle in his arm he would have been an icon (an over used word).
He is also guilt of giving Joe Morello the opportunity of playing one of the finest drum breaks of all time on "Take Five".
I have two DB albums, which for me is about the right number, more maybe less!!!
Not carrying a torch for the chap, but if your first introduction to Jazz was Ornette Coleman or Archie Shepp, then the musical journey into Modern Jazz would have stopped there for many people. He opened the doors to a great deal of people.
Smart guy, made some cash, got some feet tapping and still breathing. An alround lucky bastard."
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Oh yes. That fucking drum break. Thanks for reminding me. Almost as tedious as 'bomb dropping'. Repeat to yourself: Jimmy Cobb, Jimmy Cobb, Jimmy Cobb...
Paul Desmond we forgive much. After all, he tupped Jean Seberg.
Re: Joe Morello -
From Drummer World and there are numerous other credits in other journals by learned critics and musicians. Only people who might not like it are Non Drummers (and they don't count). Respected by Blues, Jazz and Rock Drummers. It's not when he hit the skins, its when he didn't. Less is more.
Quote:
"His 12-year stint with Brubeck made Morello a household name in the jazz (and drumming) world, and on the quartet's recording of "Take Five" he performed one of the most famous drum solos in jazz history. "When people use the word ‘technique,' they usually mean ‘speed,'" Morello says, commenting on the solo. "But the ‘Take Five' solo had very little speed involved. It was more about space and playing over the barline. It was conspicuous by being so different."
Un Quote.
Yrs,
Mrs Gladys B, Queen of Behind The Scenes.
More:
I would rather look at a Horace Silver LP than listen to Art Tatum. Too many notes, not enough......................................................... non notes.
I have one Art Tatum album, but it seems like a lot more!!!!!
Yrs,
Mrs Gladys B.
Worth a read through - Austins gets a mention down the bottom:
http://themusicologist.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/musicology-377/
Some rather nice demystifying of the myth.
My thanks to Chris_H. for the above - "Fellow Jazz Warrior" as he appears in a very good book on Jazz which was, in part, dedicated to him by the author.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Points-Departure-Essays-Modern-Jazz/dp/1900152797%3FSubscriptionId%3D0JRA4J6WAV0RTAZVS6R2%26tag%3Dworldcat-21%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3D1900152797
Thing I've got against it overall is, it's chilly and mechanical. Listen to really good jazz, like Baker playing 'My Funny Valentine', you're lifted - because it's beautiful. Is it art? Probably. I have the same feeling with Robert Johnson and Muddy Waters - 'Rollin' And Tumblin''. A feeling at the pit of the stomach, of tension, of soaring. 'Take Five' reminds me more of B.B. King: a bit of flashy showing off. I'm not struck on experimental jazz, either, on the whole. Davis leaves me cold after a certain point; and I much prefer Grey to Parker.