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#251 2010-09-15 08:55:43

Rip Rig & Panic
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Re: The Ivy Book

 

#252 2010-09-15 09:01:37

Toffeeman
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Re: The Ivy Book

Fit young posh women in Hatchards - yes Adam I'm with you. Seen the little minx on the main desk on the right as you enter? Dear me. Makes my middle aged ticker go all a thumpin she does...

Glad they sold 2 more copies today. Now reorder it you fuckers! (the bookshop, not the customers)

TM

 

#253 2010-09-15 09:12:39

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Lord Simons of Hill Rise and his trusty knaves, Sir Kenneth of Brentford , Baron Geoffrey of Essex and the Jester Lally

 

#254 2010-09-15 09:13:09

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Re: The Ivy Book

LOL!

 

#255 2010-09-15 09:34:32

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some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#256 2010-09-15 09:45:20

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Just to add, I think it is obvious that only a relatively small number of people will ever bother to fly in the face of fashion and take excessive trouble to acquire items that are only available from a very small number of sources, which is what ivy in the UK requires.  I was not suggesting (in the previous post) that ivy will become mainstream, it's too far removed from modern fashion.

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some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#257 2010-09-15 10:48:41

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Ivy is too easy and therefore too difficult.  It will not appeal to a mass audience.  There is no uniform.  It's too restrained, too - if I may be permitted to use the word - 'geeky', altogether too conservative, deep, exclusive and demanding.  Too many would reject even the basics.  A mod, making the transition, might wonder if he is doing the right thing.  He is no longer part of a visible 'something'; people no longer recognise him.  His clothing has become, in the eyes of many, somewhat 'commonplace', mundane even.  It is largely 'alien' (as Russell Street has noted), and it takes great determination to become a modest part of the wider landscape: not putting on a show.  The personal choices are complex, too - or can be.  They needn't be but often are.

Ivy, you see, is easy and therefore too difficult.

 

#258 2010-09-15 10:56:12

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#259 2010-09-15 11:01:45

Rip Rig & Panic
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Thank you very much, Alex.  I had drunk an unaccustomed glass of Australian Merlot with my Italian dinner.

 

#260 2010-09-15 11:04:08

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#261 2010-09-15 11:07:54

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So...  the mass marketing once again of Fred Perry polo shirts, Levis and desert boots?  Besides, even Hewitt was probably right about the consequences: the originals were down at Ronnie Scotts and their younger brothers joined them there.

Come on, John.  Be of good cheer.  I just can't believe it'll happen that way, that's all.

 

#262 2010-09-15 11:13:10

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"Police were forced to intervene when fighting broke out between rival gangs of youths sporting pale blue shirts, khakis and saddle shoes in the early hours of this morning...  John Simons, self-styled 'King of the Ivyists', was brought in to restore order.  There were several arrests.  A police spokesman said..."

 

#263 2010-09-15 11:19:02

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I agree Alex, Rip captures its paradoxical qualities, like RS often does.

An alien style that would be considered mundane by many? Get outta here. It's spot on though.

How such a "mundane" qualification has come about is something that still puzzles me. It implies a certain familiarity with the style among its outsiders. Most people will recognize it but hardly anyone will be able to pinpoint it.

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#264 2010-09-15 11:23:09

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Ah ha - and it's the failure to pinpoint that makes it so attractive.

 

#265 2010-09-15 11:26:10

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Re: The Ivy Book

People carry it around in their subconscious and hence they're not conscious of it. Basically, this is Post War American Culture at work.

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#266 2010-09-15 11:29:42

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It is, and it's deeply rooted.  For me it goes back to the 60s, to TV, comics, music and James Warren's monster magazines.  The United States had a glamour that England could never match.  What was 'The Beano' compared with a DC Eighty-Pager featuring The Flash or Superman?

 

#267 2010-09-15 12:40:07

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#268 2010-09-16 01:21:23

Yuca
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some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#269 2010-09-16 01:43:30

Yuca
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I popped out of my home last night to buy a pint of milk and was accosted by a gang of teenagers (average age probably 17), all wearing identical scruffy pea coats (many with slogans written on the back) chanting 'We are the ivyists' and looking for someone to fill in.  Indeed it's only because one of the more clued-up members noticed I was wearing no break chinos and loafers that I escaped a beating, and even then they were very disgruntled that I didn't want to hang out with them.

Toffeeman you've created a monster!


some sort of banal legitimacy

 

#270 2010-09-16 01:48:03

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#271 2010-09-16 02:07:35

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#272 2010-09-16 02:25:05

Yuca
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At least Stanley Cohen will have something to write a new book about.


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#273 2010-09-19 14:49:10

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I have the book on pre-order, hopefully it's as good as everyone says!


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#274 2010-09-19 15:36:43

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Randy lower-class trifler

 

#275 2010-09-20 01:59:45

Yuca
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Re: The Ivy Book

Toffeeman you need to do a Kubric (re. A Chocolate Orange) on this one - withdraw it now before fatalities ensue.


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