That guy needs to take care of the uni-brow.
And I just saw that even more shameless thread in a part of this forum where I only go to get upset.
They look kosher to me, except for the rise which is difficult to discern but looks a bit shoddy. On seam pockets would have been nice, but otherwise I like the cut. I could do better for the price though.
These are a bit more affordable
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-60s-Penneys-BIG-MAC-Durable-Press-Khaki-Chino-Military-Work-Pants-33x33-/221334099861?
Hi all
Tried the new JS Khakis on yesterday. They are, in the man himself's words, 'a big pair of trousers'. Modelled on more of a 1940s cut than previous years.
Construction, rise, other details all fine, just a bit different to previous offerings. Still trying to make my mind up.
The 5 pocket trousers in light beige and navy on the other hand are very nice.
Thank you very much for sharing your first hand experience. It's what been guessed by the measurements.
So, for me the quest goes on. "Make or buy"? Seems that "make" is becoming more and more likely.
I swore to myself I would never buy from JS again, based on previous purchases. Yet talk of a 1940s cut made by Hertling inspired me to give them the benefit of the doubt. I must say, there is some serious disinformation in this thread. The cut: above the knee is 1950s style, and below the knee is 1960s style (to the extent that I probably wouldn't be able to get away with giving them turn ups/cuffs). The end result is not 50s or 60s or ivy, it's the dreaded medieval jodhpur style. I know Jimmy Smith did a great version of Greensleeves, but that's no excuse.
Also, these trousers are made in China. When I'm paying a ton (plus another tenner for shipping, then I've got to pay someone to turn them up as these are far too long for anyone), I expect better.
On saying that, the rise is wonderful, the cloth is nice, and perhaps the diffference between the top half and bottom half is not impossible to reconcile. In other words, I think I could get away with wearing them, but it would have to be in an uncuffed Take Ivy style. Personally I prefer a cuffed 50s or earlier style. Also they appear better made than the last pair of JS chinos I bought (many years ago) which were made in Italy by DNA Groove (and were shoddy).
Lack of alternatives mean I may keep them, however I doubt I will.
I don't think the last lot were made BY DNA Groove, I think Claudio just helped with the sourcing and links to manufacturing from his suppliers.
At least that is what I understand from those old posts, same with the early JS shirts.
The O'C's are more 40s than 50s. Rise and all else is great, but on they are seriously voluminous on the thighs. I may resist getting them tapered, particularly as I do occasionally hang out with 40s reenacters (imo they're not half as obsessive as ivyists), but they are a bit shapeless. Superb otherwise though - they've just got them in my size in white, which I'm also tempted by.
The JSA are similar in terms of rise and cloth. On the thigh the JS are better as they're more 50s than 40s, but the JS are tapered which ruins them.
N.B. I don't actually know if 40s chinos were baggy.
Thanks Yuca, this was a timely review as I was just about to purchase them myself. I like how they look on Guy, but the made in China bit definitely puts me off.
We really need a pic of you in the Yuca before you return them
They are so long that when I pin them up to approx the right length, all the extra cloth distorts them. Obviously if I had them shortened then that cloth would be chopped off, but the extra cloth means I cannot get an exact idea of what they would look like were I to keep them. As I said earlier they are not a complete disaster, however as they have a jodhpur effect and are too tapered for cuffs (the latter is probably not a problem for many on here) I will (probably) return.
Nonethless they could work for someone else.
Yuca - How do we know they are made in China?
They're made in Hong Kong, China.
Label states: Made in China
If all else were good I could live with made in China, even at that price, simply due to the scarcity of decent chinos. (The scarcity depends on how fussy one is; I consider a decent rise, amongst other things, essential. I can wear LE traditional fit for work, but they're not really the look I want.)
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Thank you, guys. It's a pity, but I came to the conclusion that ordering one of those would be too much of a risk for me. I started first talks about a chino being copied. We'll see how this turns out.
Meanwhile, Ill check out Muji again. Last year, I bought some of their chinos and like them for everyday use and abuse. Most on here will find the material skimpy, Muji limby and everything, but they meet a lot of my requirements.
*tears shirt apart and bears chest: "Here, grenadeers!*
http://www.muji.de/de/store/goods/4549337128484
Most of my purchases from the JSA label has been good, the blue oxford with the patch pocket is a definite winner, but he did have a batch where the cuff size and arm length was a tad tight and short. The American made chinos from last year were great, I regret only purchasing one pair.
I use to get hung-up on Chinese manufacturing content and particulalry the CE logo that masquerades as the European CE origin logo, but a lot of things we buy have Chinese items inside from computers to cars. Even my Shurons are made in China. Although I am totally against the strategic asset loss of the means of production, particularly as we seem intent on reignating the cold war, I am no longer not going to pretend to make a moral choice by not buying a Keydge jacket that has been made in China, whilst my computer and car is full of Chinese sourced equipment.