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#1 2017-11-28 12:25:33

Treble Clef
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Flannel trousers

Hello

This topic (http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/viewtopi … 61&p=2) and the others a search brought up seems a little out of date, so I wonder if anyone has any recommendations? I'm looking for a pair 'off the peg' in mid-grey or navy to team with a Hardy & Johnson blazer.

I would like Made in EU (or USA) but the O'Connell's and Drakes are too expensive (both around £300 in the UK). House of Bruar seem too wide and probably made in China and the numerous fashion brands seem a very low rise (APC etc).

Here are the Drakes ones (and they don't have loops which I would prefer) -

https://www.drakes.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/698x800/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/t/r/trou.rt281.001_1_2_.jpg

Further suggestions gratefully received,

 

#2 2017-11-28 14:37:48

Berkeley_Breathes
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Re: Flannel trousers

Hello

I don't have an answer to this, but I'd like to piggyback on this excellent topic/question... My criteria are exactly the same, I've been counting on shelling out for O'Connell's but would welcome any info on acceptable cheaper options...


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#3 2017-11-28 14:59:33

McGeorge Bundyburger
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Re: Flannel trousers

John Simons has started offering lightweight grey flannel trousers online, for £149.  There's no info about measurements or country of manufacture, but it might be worth a phonecall or email.  Just FYI...

http://www.johnsimons.co.uk/john-simons … -trousers/

 

#4 2017-11-28 15:11:16

Treble Clef
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Re: Flannel trousers

Thanks McGeorge Bundyburger, more than likely they will be made in China/India etc at that price but I will check them out if nothing else turns up.

Berkeley_Breathes - I ordered a pair from Winebergs who do 'made to measure' so if you are based in the UK and confident you can supply measurements for them to copy they might work for you. Unfortunately I found their customer service to be very poor, 2 months+ to receive a pair and I'm *sure* they shortened them more than I asked for which has left them unwearable.

 

#5 2017-11-28 21:48:50

Pennies_and_Oxfords
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Re: Flannel trousers

How lightweight is 'lightweight', I wonder...


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#6 2017-11-29 02:38:10

Tomiskinky
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Re: Flannel trousers

McGeorge Bundyburger wrote:

John Simons has started offering lightweight grey flannel trousers online, for £149.  There's no info about measurements or country of manufacture, but it might be worth a phonecall or email.  Just FYI...

http://www.johnsimons.co.uk/john-simons … -trousers/

Lovely shape and a fan of the frog mouth pocket, but what a shame they look such a low rise and, as you say probably not sourced within EU (or even better UK).


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#7 2017-11-29 12:22:18

Chris_H
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Re: Flannel trousers

Hi TC, you could try George's Tailors of Wightman Road N4. He will make trousers to your specification, just take a pic, or a pair you'd like copied along. He normally charges around £100 plus fabric. You can buy good quality flannel from around £30 for a trouser length. You could get the Drakes trouser copied for around £130 and they would be made to measure.  I've used him many times over the years and have never been disappointed.



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Last edited by Chris_H (2017-11-29 12:23:42)

 

#8 2017-11-29 12:51:03

woofboxer
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From: Staines-upon-Thames, Middlesex
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Re: Flannel trousers

Tomiskinky wrote:

McGeorge Bundyburger wrote:

John Simons has started offering lightweight grey flannel trousers online, for £149.  There's no info about measurements or country of manufacture, but it might be worth a phonecall or email.  Just FYI...

http://www.johnsimons.co.uk/john-simons … -trousers/

Lovely shape and a fan of the frog mouth pocket, but what a shame they look such a low rise and, as you say probably not sourced within EU (or even better UK).

Well you see, personal taste and all that, but I'm not mad on frog mouth pockets. The last John Simons trousers I liked were the '1950s' chinos that they had made up 3 or 4 years ago, high waists, on seam pockets and tapered legs. I bought three pairs, but apparently a lot of the younger customers found them a bit challenging.


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
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#9 2017-11-29 13:08:35

Treble Clef
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Re: Flannel trousers

Chris_H wrote:

Hi TC, you could try George's Tailors of Wightman Road N4. He will make trousers to your specification, just take a pic, or a pair you'd like copied along. He normally charges around £100 plus fabric. You can buy good quality flannel from around £30 for a trouser length. You could get the Drakes trouser copied for around £130 and they would be made to measure.  I've used him many times over the years and have never been disappointed.

Thanks Chris. I was stung by the mail-order trousers but it might work being measured in person. I don't have the 'perfect' trouser to copy sadly but I could provide him the measurements of the Drakes ones but with an accurate waist for me.

I have tried Joel & Son to buy flannel and they only had Loro Piana which was very expensive (my father has a reasonably priced tailor up north and I could have visited him, but again need to bring your own material). I know Lancashire / Yorkshire mills make cheaper cloth, anyone got some links or ideally a London shop? I believe 1.5meters is required.

Last edited by Treble Clef (2017-11-29 13:09:56)

 

#10 2017-11-29 13:14:51

ZarJazz
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Re: Flannel trousers

I still have a pair of O’Connell’s flannels for sale here if anybody is interested.

http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/viewtopi … 5&p=41

 

#11 2017-11-29 13:31:38

Chris_H
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From: Watford
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Re: Flannel trousers

Treble Clef wrote:

Thanks Chris. I was stung by the mail-order trousers but it might work being measured in person. I don't have the 'perfect' trouser to copy sadly but I could provide him the measurements of the Drakes ones but with an accurate waist for me.

I have tried Joel & Son to buy flannel and they only had Loro Piana which was very expensive (my father has a reasonably priced tailor up north and I could have visited him, but again need to bring your own material). I know Lancashire / Yorkshire mills make cheaper cloth, anyone got some links or ideally a London shop? I believe 1.5meters is required.

Just take a pic of the Drakes along and tell him the rise length you want. He will take all the other measurements needed. I'll pm you a link for the cloth.

 

#12 2017-11-29 14:10:37

Treble Clef
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Re: Flannel trousers

Great, thank you.

 

#13 2017-11-29 14:22:52

An Unseen Scene
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Re: Flannel trousers

Check Peter Christian. Beyond the slightly gimmicky  look  of the site their trousers are good quality and may have a decent option.  They last and keep their shape with a range of fabrics.

 

#14 2017-11-29 14:26:06

woofboxer
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From: Staines-upon-Thames, Middlesex
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Re: Flannel trousers

Cordings are another good trouseriery, I bought a great pair of linens from them last year.


'I'm not that keen on the Average Look .......ever'. 
John Simons

 

#15 2017-11-29 14:52:06

Tim
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Re: Flannel trousers

Chris_H wrote:

Hi TC, you could try George's Tailors of Wightman Road N4. He will make trousers to your specification, just take a pic, or a pair you'd like copied along. He normally charges around £100 plus fabric. You can buy good quality flannel from around £30 for a trouser length. You could get the Drakes trouser copied for around £130 and they would be made to measure.  I've used him many times over the years and have never been disappointed.

I’m astounded to hear George is still going, I had assumed he’d retired a couple of years ago. Pity I don’t have more time in London this coming weekend, I’d have loved to have seen him again, he made me several pairs of trousers and five or so suits back in my “Mod” days, all of which were excellent quality - pity about my dubious taste however!

 

#16 2017-11-29 15:36:22

Treble Clef
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Re: Flannel trousers

woofboxer wrote:

Cordings are another good trouseriery, I bought a great pair of linens from them last year.

They have a limited range of wool though - I have 2 pairs of chinos which I'm quite happy with. The cords and needlecords are quite a wide leg so perhaps not to people's tastes on here.  When looking at the old threads on flannel trousers I did see that Pakeman Cato Carter has folded and they link to Cordings website now so maybe they will start doing more lines like they did.

 

#17 2017-11-29 16:20:39

blahblah
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Re: Flannel trousers

I'm also in the market for another decent pair of RTW flannels, ideally in grey (hence my first post - hi! - though I've lurked for a little while). The only pair I have are from Jack Wills, of all places, after they had some ridiculous wool promotion last month. They have a decent rise, at least, but are a little slim fitting.

 

#18 2017-11-29 16:30:47

Berkeley_Breathes
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Re: Flannel trousers

blahblah wrote:

I'm also in the market for another decent pair of RTW flannels, ideally in grey (hence my first post - hi! - though I've lurked for a little while). The only pair I have are from Jack Wills, of all places, after they had some ridiculous wool promotion last month. They have a decent rise, at least, but are a little slim fitting.

Welcome, blahblah!


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Jeeves: "There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter."

 

#19 2017-11-29 16:55:54

blahblah
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Re: Flannel trousers

Berkeley_Breathes wrote:

Welcome, blahblah!

Hullo!

An Unseen Scene wrote:

Check Peter Christian. Beyond the slightly gimmicky  look  of the site their trousers are good quality and may have a decent option.  They last and keep their shape with a range of fabrics.

What's the cut of their trouser like? It's hard to tell from their site, unless there's a hidden measurements page I haven't found yet. I'm a little bit worried since a 32 waist is their smallest offering and I tend to be either a 30 or 32, depending on rise. If they don't vanity size then the 32 is probably perfect. 38 appears to be their smallest jacket size too, which slightly adds to my worry that they generally cater for a different fit to mine.

 

#20 2017-11-29 17:37:57

Berkeley_Breathes
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Re: Flannel trousers

blahblah wrote:

a 32 waist is their smallest offering

That's stupid. That's like how Wrangler's shortest inseam on jeans is like a 30... I'm not really what you'd call a small guy, I'm around 6 feet and doughy in all the wrong places but I take a 30 waist and ideally a 29-29.75 inseam... It can really make all the difference. I don't understand why places won't just offer a full range of sizes, if you can make any waist or inseam sizes than surely you can make all of them?


Bertie: "What do ties matter, Jeeves, at a time like this?"
Jeeves: "There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter."

 

#21 2017-11-29 17:55:22

Pennies_and_Oxfords
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Posts: 121

Re: Flannel trousers

If anything, they should have a full range of waist sizes at the very least. At least the inseam can be hemmed, that's not nearly as important as the waist size.


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#22 2017-12-02 14:50:20

The Laird of Enfield
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Posts: 233

Re: Flannel trousers

Used tae buy some stuff fae Peter Christian fur my Da before he died.

They mainly cater fur the "mature gent" which is probably why they dinnae dae Mothercare sizes tae fit midgets.

They kept mailin' me after my Da wis gone n' ah've recently invested in some cotton drill & moleskin breeks fur masel',

Sizin' seems tae be relatively true n' no a bad rise oan them n'aw.

 

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