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#1 2007-06-26 13:56:16

iammatt
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Shirtsleeve shoulder, spalla camicia

 

#2 2007-06-26 14:14:25

jsprowls9
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#3 2007-06-26 14:17:03

Marc Grayson
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Re: Shirtsleeve shoulder, spalla camicia

There really isn't an actual functional purpose behind the SC shoulder that makes it superior, it merely is done for esthetics, to reflect imperfection and, thus, a hand-made shoulder/garment.  I see many cheap suits with shoulders that might be interpreted as SC, but they're just shoddily-made shoulders LOL.  My Sicilian tailor, who makes a very nice SC, better than most Neapolitan tailors, made a sport coat for me with a shirt-shoulder which I like, however I prefer a clean, slightly roped shoulder as it adds a certain appearance of strength to the shoulder, especially with sloped shoulders.  I kind of think the SC shoulder is just an overrated gimmick to create a certain "mystique" behind Neapolitan clothes.  No offense intended, but you asked.


"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#4 2007-06-26 15:16:31

iammatt
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Re: Shirtsleeve shoulder, spalla camicia

No offense taken at all.  It is definitely a personal taste, and not everybodys.  I would not have posted t here if I did not want any comments. 

I do have to say that the fact that either of you think that I may hae sloped shoulders is proof that it is doing its job as my shoulders are uncommonly, and frankly almost abnormally, square.  If they look sloped, than the desired effect is occurring.

 

#5 2007-06-26 15:22:17

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Re: Shirtsleeve shoulder, spalla camicia

It's not that I'm not a fan of the spalla camicia. It's that I don't consider it the greatest invention since sliced bread like some seem to believe. A well-made spalla camicia is as good, as comfortable, and requires no more tailoring skill than other shoulder constructions executed properly. At the end of the day, the shoulder is just one of the many necessary attributes that separate a well-fitting jacket from the rest.

From a styling perspective, I wouldn't consider a spalla camicia for a business suit. To my eye, it looks a bit too borderline between a tailored outer garment and a shirt to produce a serious look for business. But I wouldn't hesitate specifying one for a sportcoat. Especially if the sportcoat has a bold pattern; the almost lifeless, flat-against-the-skin look of the spalla camicia balances nicely the visual impact of a fun fabric.

It also depends on figuration: I think a spalla camicia is ill-advised for a man with shoulders more sloped than the norm.

As far as I can tell from your picture above the waist, your jacket is very, very well fitted. Kudos... I don't think your jacket collar is unusually tall.... In fact, the fit of your jacket, except for the shoulder treatment, looks very similar to what my tailor has done for me.

Thanks for sharing.

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#6 2007-06-26 17:48:41

Marc Grayson
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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#7 2007-06-26 18:53:19

bull
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Cheers.

 

#8 2007-06-26 18:55:51

bull
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Cheers.

 

#9 2007-06-26 18:58:04

Incroyable
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Re: Shirtsleeve shoulder, spalla camicia

I am not a particular fan of the spalla camicia as it seems a rather fussy detail, and as Marc pointed out, exists almost only to showcase handwork--like those flamboyant welts some high-end Italian cordwainers are keen on making.


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#10 2007-06-26 21:01:34

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Re: Shirtsleeve shoulder, spalla camicia

We are all fans of the well dressed and encourage the eccentric done with aplomb. I think what some might find comic is certain people covering up (or exhibiting) their rubitude by over exhaltation of the style. It can be an elegant look and it is fitting on Neapolitans in Naples just like green pants with whales on them belong in a New England country club.

Don't like it on me. I think it can look good on others. But I think of it as more of an afterhours suit. If youre in the clothing business, it's a positive. I know one high end tie maker who wears this.

Problem with a suit like this is a dry cleaners might press your "defect" out for you as they did to said tie maker. That's one expensive blunder.

 

#11 2007-06-26 21:47:29

Marc Grayson
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Re: Shirtsleeve shoulder, spalla camicia


"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#12 2007-06-26 21:51:53

Marc Grayson
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Re: Shirtsleeve shoulder, spalla camicia

Matt, my apologies for neglecting to acknowledge, as well, the excellent fit of your suit.  I had seen elsewhere pics of the back of a suit made by another Neapolitan tailor and was surprised the tailor allowed the client to leave with it.


"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#13 2007-06-26 21:59:03

Marc Grayson
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Re: Shirtsleeve shoulder, spalla camicia


"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#14 2007-06-26 22:55:24

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#15 2007-06-27 12:39:58

bull
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Cheers.

 

#16 2007-06-27 17:34:42

Marc Grayson
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Re: Shirtsleeve shoulder, spalla camicia

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"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#17 2007-06-27 17:37:37

iammatt
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Re: Shirtsleeve shoulder, spalla camicia

 

#18 2007-06-27 17:58:30

Marc Grayson
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Re: Shirtsleeve shoulder, spalla camicia


"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#19 2007-06-27 18:18:38

iammatt
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#20 2007-06-27 19:16:27

jsprowls9
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#21 2007-06-27 19:23:00

Marc Grayson
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Re: Shirtsleeve shoulder, spalla camicia


"‘The sense of being perfectly well dressed gives a feeling of inner tranquility which even religion is powerless to bestow." Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Looking good and dressing well is a necessity. Having a purpose in life is not."  Oscar Wilde

 

#22 2007-06-28 01:35:00

kc
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Re: Shirtsleeve shoulder, spalla camicia

Matt

The notch on the lapel appears slightly higher than Mr. Rubinacci’s default setting, certainly more than he willing concedes for his standard business garments.

Did you request this? Or is it my poor perception?

BTW, nicely done!

 

#23 2007-06-28 07:34:20

iammatt
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Re: Shirtsleeve shoulder, spalla camicia

Hey Kevin,

Perhaps it is slightly higher than the gorge on his own jackets, but not by a ton.  I did not request anything special of this area of the jacket, and, as you know, he is not fond of going to extremes.  I would say that it is probably high-ish for him, but not like some of the extreme examples that you see from other tailors in Naples.  I imagine that the idea is that it should look good ten years from now, and not just today wink.

Edit:  Remember, he is 6'1" or so, I am 5'11" and you are what, 6'5"?  He is not likely to concede to going much higher with you, as it could start to look pretty wrong.  With my height, there is more leeway.

Last edited by iammatt (2007-06-28 07:49:03)

 

#24 2007-06-28 09:23:46

suds-okeefe
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Re: Shirtsleeve shoulder, spalla camicia

Nice jacket iamatt. In the thread starter's second photo, what is that seam in the jacket sleeve? Is that a regional touch? And, how much did this go for, if I may ask? Rubinacci you say?

 

#25 2007-06-28 09:37:11

TinkerTailorCPA
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Re: Shirtsleeve shoulder, spalla camicia

Matt,

I have seen other jackets you have previously posted. I belieive they also were from Rubinacci. All the jackets, including the SC construction from this post, fit you perfectly. Everyone has likes and dislikes regarding fit, however, the overall effect of your jackets are fantastic.

As a young man I travelled quite a bit to Rome and Milan. The tailors in both of these cities disliked the SC construction and refused to do such. My NYC tailor at that time also refused to do the SC style. Howerver, over the last 20 years I have used Nino Corvato in NYC who does his own version of the SC that is absolutely magnificant.

Matt, enjoy the latest addition to your wardrobe.

 

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